Forums Power and Sound Power and Sound DCC
  • Topic: Revolution

    Back To Topics
    (0 rates)
    • November 28, 2017 7:47 PM EST
    • (Moderator)
      • Your Host in Littleton, MA
         
      • Posts
        7,757
      • Thanks
        530
      • Thanked
        1,182

      David Maynard said:

      Well, if you only have one transmitter, then why not keep the settings there? Its when you have more then one that things get.....funny.

      That’s exactly the issue.  I have several locomotives and a handful of transmitters.  

      ____________________________________

      Bob, your Site Host and Benevolent Dictator.

    • November 28, 2017 8:23 PM EST
      • YYC, CANADA
         
      • Posts
        597
      • Thanks
        30
      • Thanked
        12

      "Nov. 27th .... The Revolution DCC products are back up again."

      And both items already "Out of stock".   

      Small run, or no run !?  :)

       

      Or maybe like a lot of manufacturers,  just testing  interest by contact from prospective consumers ?

       

      doug c

       

      ____________________________________

      " G-Gauge may not RULE, but it  GROWS  on Ya !! "    djc'99

    • November 28, 2017 11:05 PM EST

      •  
      • Posts
        9,393
      • Thanks
        249
      • Thanked
        862

      The "philosophy"  of the revolution system has always been NOT a system, no real cooperation or sharing of information between throttles. (by the way the loco names must be stored in the throttle).

       

      That's the advantage of a real DCC system, where information is shared, and the central station "knows" everything that is going on and can share this information with all users.

       

      The revolution is a nice compromise between a intelligent system like my Zimo DCC system, and a rudimentary R/C system. It has carved out a niche not really occupied by any other system.

       

      Greg

      ____________________________________

      Be sure­ to visit ­my site, l­ots of tec­hnical tip­s and modi­fications,­ and you c­an search ­for topics­ and key w­ords.


      ­Click HERE for Greg­'s web sit­e
      PLEASE NOT­E: Please do NOT use private messaging, i­f you have­ a questio­n, feel fr­ee to emai­l me priva­tely, u­se regular­ email onl­y: greg@el­massian.co­m

    • November 29, 2017 4:59 AM EST
      • Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
         
      • Posts
        11,130
      • Thanks
        127
      • Thanked
        919

      Bob McCown said:
      David Maynard said:

      Well, if you only have one transmitter, then why not keep the settings there? Its when you have more then one that things get.....funny.

      That’s exactly the issue.  I have several locomotives and a handful of transmitters.  

      I wonder if the designers expected a person to only have one transmitter. Then it would make sense. This is the issue I have with some designers, they expect the end user to do things a certain way, when in fact the ends users do things differently and the designers didn't account for that.

      ____________________________________

      Shannon car Shops
      Home of the infamous leg lamp

      I.A.R.R.R. Member #12

      and King Butt Modeler

    • November 29, 2017 7:33 AM EST
      • Burke, Virginia
         
      • Posts
        7,476
      • Thanks
        239
      • Thanked
        874

      David Maynard said:
      Bob McCown said:
      David Maynard said:

      Well, if you only have one transmitter, then why not keep the settings there? Its when you have more then one that things get.....funny.

      That’s exactly the issue.  I have several locomotives and a handful of transmitters.  

      I wonder if the designers expected a person to only have one transmitter. Then it would make sense. This is the issue I have with some designers, they expect the end user to do things a certain way, when in fact the ends users do things differently and the designers didn't account for that.

      I'm hoping that the designers aren't THAT stupid.   If your receiver fails, then you can't run that locomotive.   But if a transmitter fails, you can't run ANY locomotive.   I think that's why a bunch of folks get multiple transmitters - plus it allows you to more easily run more than one locomotive at a time.

      ____________________________________

      Bruce

      http://jbrr.com/

       

    • November 29, 2017 12:25 PM EST
      • Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
         
      • Posts
        580
      • Thanks
        0
      • Thanked
        45

      Ted said: I noticed what is suppose to be the flashing tail light in the USA Trains caboose would not illuminate (or flash on / off) using the Aristo / Revo PWC (PWM) track power base station receiver unless the TX "throttle" is increased  to maximum, after which the tail light will flash and remain flashing, even when reducing the throttle to a minimal setting!
       
      So for normal use of PWC, I am contemplating installing the accessory "PWC to Linear Board" between the caboose wheel power pickups and internal circuitry.

       

      The caboose light bulbs may draw more than 1/2 an amp which would exceed the limit of the Precision RC board you referred to.

       

      There is probably a circuit board in the caboose with the dreaded LM317 voltage regulator to drop the voltage to 5 or 6 volts. If there is, take a picture of both sides and e-mail it to Greg. He may be able to suggest an easy and less expensive work around.

      This post was edited by Paul Norton at November 29, 2017 12:28 PM EST
    • November 29, 2017 12:28 PM EST
    • (Moderator)
      • Your Host in Littleton, MA
         
      • Posts
        7,757
      • Thanks
        530
      • Thanked
        1,182

      Bruce Chandler said:
      David Maynard said:
      Bob McCown said:
      David Maynard said:

      Well, if you only have one transmitter, then why not keep the settings there? Its when you have more then one that things get.....funny.

      That’s exactly the issue.  I have several locomotives and a handful of transmitters.  

      I wonder if the designers expected a person to only have one transmitter. Then it would make sense. This is the issue I have with some designers, they expect the end user to do things a certain way, when in fact the ends users do things differently and the designers didn't account for that.

      I'm hoping that the designers aren't THAT stupid.   If your receiver fails, then you can't run that locomotive.   But if a transmitter fails, you can't run ANY locomotive.   I think that's why a bunch of folks get multiple transmitters - plus it allows you to more easily run more than one locomotive at a time.

       

      If they're going to keep the configs on the TX, I would settle for some kind of software that I have on my computer that lets me clone the throttle, and/or upload and download settings to the TX.  Last night I looked at all three of my transmitters and none of them are set completely the same.

      ____________________________________

      Bob, your Site Host and Benevolent Dictator.

    • November 29, 2017 3:20 PM EST

      •  
      • Posts
        9,393
      • Thanks
        249
      • Thanked
        862

      Unfortunately, it seems that the people who design things may not have the full experience of the people who will buy and use the product.

       

      Example: I have a Zimo DCC system, easily the most expensive, and most flexible and most capable system. It is still getting additional features added, it was so late in development that it was released with only rudimentary DCC capabilities. The company is in Austria, and most Europeans only run a single loco in a train, so consisting was lower on the priority list than interfacing to other European DCC systems. If this was developed in the US, consisting would have been the first feature added after basic DCC addressing and control.

       

      Also, in this hobby, there are many proponents of "one loco one transmitter"... the loco and the wireless throttle are a "set"... That might make sense for maybe 3 locos, but no sense as the number of locos increases. To me, locos are like potato chips, can't have just one or two. No way I am buying 60 or more transmitters.

       

      I like to get the most for my $$.

       

      Greg

      This post was edited by Greg Greg Elmassian at November 29, 2017 3:21 PM EST
      ____________________________________

      Be sure­ to visit ­my site, l­ots of tec­hnical tip­s and modi­fications,­ and you c­an search ­for topics­ and key w­ords.


      ­Click HERE for Greg­'s web sit­e
      PLEASE NOT­E: Please do NOT use private messaging, i­f you have­ a questio­n, feel fr­ee to emai­l me priva­tely, u­se regular­ email onl­y: greg@el­massian.co­m

    • November 29, 2017 5:01 PM EST
      • Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
         
      • Posts
        11,130
      • Thanks
        127
      • Thanked
        919

      Bruce Chandler said:
      David Maynard said:
      Bob McCown said:
      David Maynard said:

      Well, if you only have one transmitter, then why not keep the settings there? Its when you have more then one that things get.....funny.

      That’s exactly the issue.  I have several locomotives and a handful of transmitters.  

      I wonder if the designers expected a person to only have one transmitter. Then it would make sense. This is the issue I have with some designers, they expect the end user to do things a certain way, when in fact the ends users do things differently and the designers didn't account for that.

      I'm hoping that the designers aren't THAT stupid.   If your receiver fails, then you can't run that locomotive.   But if a transmitter fails, you can't run ANY locomotive.   I think that's why a bunch of folks get multiple transmitters - plus it allows you to more easily run more than one locomotive at a time.

       

       

      Greg Elmassian said:

      Unfortunately, it seems that the people who design things may not have the full experience of the people who will buy and use the product.

      Greg said what I was thinking. They aren't "stupid". Designers, well, at least the ones I have worked with, sit in a cubical and draw up some really neat things. But, since they don't use the product they design, and they certainly don't repair the product they design, they go with what look great on paper, but doesn't work quite so well in the real world.  A good designer would beta test a batch, and then take the feedback from the beta testers to improve the product. The beta testers would suggest features, and point out shortcomings, that the designer may never have thought of inside his cubical.

       

      This is my viewpoint based on the my experience with designers I have worked with. (sigh, gasp) Not all designers work only in the rarefied atmosphere of their cubicles. But when you ask "what were they thinking when they designed it that way?" Then you have to wonder if that designer ever used the product in a real world situation.

      ____________________________________

      Shannon car Shops
      Home of the infamous leg lamp

      I.A.R.R.R. Member #12

      and King Butt Modeler

    • November 29, 2017 8:31 PM EST

      •  
      • Posts
        14,795
      • Thanks
        2,751
      • Thanked
        1,612

      Staying on :Topic ......The elephants await the peanut factory invasion!

    • November 29, 2017 11:36 PM EST

      •  
      • Posts
        9,393
      • Thanks
        249
      • Thanked
        862

      I like you Rooster, you make me feel normal.

       

       

      ____________________________________

      Be sure­ to visit ­my site, l­ots of tec­hnical tip­s and modi­fications,­ and you c­an search ­for topics­ and key w­ords.


      ­Click HERE for Greg­'s web sit­e
      PLEASE NOT­E: Please do NOT use private messaging, i­f you have­ a questio­n, feel fr­ee to emai­l me priva­tely, u­se regular­ email onl­y: greg@el­massian.co­m

    • November 29, 2017 11:42 PM EST
      • Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
         
      • Posts
        11,130
      • Thanks
        127
      • Thanked
        919

      I wouldn't know, what does "normal" feel like?

      ____________________________________

      Shannon car Shops
      Home of the infamous leg lamp

      I.A.R.R.R. Member #12

      and King Butt Modeler

    • November 30, 2017 6:57 AM EST
      • KENILWORTH, WARWICKSHIRE UK. (Just up the road from Stratford-Upon-Avon)
         
      • Posts
        779
      • Thanks
        33
      • Thanked
        75

      David Maynard said:

      I wouldn't know, what does "normal" feel like?

       

      In the UK it means the government  is  stuffing you   

         

       

      This post was edited by Ross Mansell at November 30, 2017 6:58 AM EST
    • November 30, 2017 12:28 PM EST

      •  
      • Posts
        9,393
      • Thanks
        249
      • Thanked
        862

      Funny, same here!

      ____________________________________

      Be sure­ to visit ­my site, l­ots of tec­hnical tip­s and modi­fications,­ and you c­an search ­for topics­ and key w­ords.


      ­Click HERE for Greg­'s web sit­e
      PLEASE NOT­E: Please do NOT use private messaging, i­f you have­ a questio­n, feel fr­ee to emai­l me priva­tely, u­se regular­ email onl­y: greg@el­massian.co­m

    • November 30, 2017 8:41 PM EST
      • Burke, Virginia
         
      • Posts
        7,476
      • Thanks
        239
      • Thanked
        874

      " Rooster " said:

      Staying on :Topic ......The elephants await the peanut factory invasion!

      Well, now I know exactly where I stand...

      ____________________________________

      Bruce

      http://jbrr.com/

       

    • November 30, 2017 8:45 PM EST

      •  
      • Posts
        14,795
      • Thanks
        2,751
      • Thanked
        1,612

      Bruce Chandler said:
      " Rooster " said:

      Staying on :Topic ......The elephants await the peanut factory invasion!

      Well, now I know exactly where I stand...

      Great .... would you like the eastern side or rather flank from the north end?

    • November 30, 2017 10:06 PM EST
      • Branchport, NY
         
      • Posts
        249
      • Thanks
        22
      • Thanked
        20

      I think the Revolution people have addressed one of our complaints.

      Transmitter VER.3.03 has added support for "Clone TX" function.

      It would make it easy to have multiple transmitters with the same locos programmed in them.

      Makes me happy!

      Tom

       

    • December 1, 2017 7:32 AM EST
      • Burke, Virginia
         
      • Posts
        7,476
      • Thanks
        239
      • Thanked
        874

      Tom Stephens said:

      I think the Revolution people have addressed one of our complaints.

      Transmitter VER.3.03 has added support for "Clone TX" function.

      It would make it easy to have multiple transmitters with the same locos programmed in them.

      Makes me happy!

      Tom

      Nice.   How does one upgrade?

       

      ____________________________________

      Bruce

      http://jbrr.com/

       

    • December 1, 2017 8:29 AM EST
      • Eastern Massachusetts
         
      • Posts
        1,221
      • Thanks
        9
      • Thanked
        107

      Zimo went a step further and you can store your settings on a USB stick.

      Now you can have different setups stored.  one for home use, another for club/friends use.  Reload what you need to use.

    • December 1, 2017 10:40 AM EST
      • Branchport, NY
         
      • Posts
        249
      • Thanks
        22
      • Thanked
        20

      Bruce Chandler said:
      Tom Stephens said:

      I think the Revolution people have addressed one of our complaints.

      Transmitter VER.3.03 has added support for "Clone TX" function.

      It would make it easy to have multiple transmitters with the same locos programmed in them.

      Makes me happy!

      Tom

      Nice.   How does one upgrade?

       

      Bruce

      Here is a link to the procedure.

      TX Clone

      I would guess that both transmitters would have to be upgraded to V3.03 first.

      Tom

       

Forums Power and Sound Power and Sound DCC

    Icon Legend

  • Topic has replies
    Hot topic
    Topic unread
    Topic doesn't have any replies
    Closed topic
    BBCode  is enabled
    HTML  is enabled

Add Reputation

Do you want to add reputation for this user by this post?

or cancel

Ads by Google