I know this is going to be a strange request, but here goes. I am looking for some drawings or photos of the framing of a Narrow Gauge Passenger car. D&RGW or C&S or RGS . This is the basic frame work that you would see before the car siding is put on or the interior paneling is installed. I have this desire to build a detailed 1:20.3 scale model of a Passenger car under construction that will show the various stages of construction. I hope that someone has some detailed information that would be helpful.

Dan

Maybe a glance at Eric’s thread will provide you with what you seek. I doubt that the basic framework was much different from manufacturer to manufacturer. Or from shop to shop

http://largescalecentral.com/forums/topic/26653/eric-s-coach-projects

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that’s what I have been looking for. it should help. thanks

Dan,

Kevin built a NG coach from photos and plans of EBT combine #18, which was rescued in derelict condition a few years ago. I don’t know if his framing was prototypical but it was definite scratch built.

John White’s book “The American Railroad Passenger Car” has, I think, several plans of coach framing. I’ll check when I get home tomorrow.

And there are lots of interior shots of an EBT combine currently stripped down and under restoration in the latest TT. I have one or two which I will dig out.

Pete: what is the TT that you mentioned? I would be interested in any photos or drawings of the frame work. I am trying to build a very detailed 1:20.3 scale car that shows the various stages of construction. The biggest problem I am having in finding the dimensions of the framework pieces. I have a couple scans of the Jackson and sharp builders drawings, but all the dimensions are not very clear do to the way they were scanned originally, so they are very hard to read. I am going to see if I cant locate better copies or have the files I have printed on a large format printer and it might be easier to read the dimensions.

Dan

Dan,

I took a look at White’s book, and while he has lots of detailed drawings, they are mostly std gauge coaches.

what is the TT that you mentioned?

Timer Transfer: in-house magazine of the Friends of the East Broad Top.

Here’s a pic of Combine 14 without it’s cladding.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1680762

A bit Eastern, but here’s some shots of ET&WNC combine during restoration.

https://www.largescalecentral.com/filesharing/file/view/6668/fn3-passenger-car-build-frame-png

https://www.largescalecentral.com/filesharing/file/view/6669/fn3-passenger-car-build-frame-and-side-waall-closeup-jpg

https://www.largescalecentral.com/filesharing/file/view/6670/fn3-passenger-car-build-frame-and-side-walls-png

Bruce, those are the kind of photos that I had been looking for but those built by Jackson and Sharp for the Colorado Railroads. here are a few photos of that car I built for the 2017 Narrow Gauge convention in Denver. These photos were taken a few days before I left to go to the convention and at the convention with the model in the contest room.

https://www.largescalecentral.com/filesharing/file/view/6673/5644096-jpg

https://www.largescalecentral.com/filesharing/file/view/6672/5532544-jpg

https://www.largescalecentral.com/filesharing/file/view/6671/5530560-jpg

That’s impressive.

Wow…having researched and studied the 2 foot gauge Jackson and sharpe ccoach at the WW &F RAILWAY MUSEUM that looks dead on.

The delaware public archives archives have a bunch of photos of Jackson and Sharp cars, some during construction. The car builders cyclopedias of the day also have some detailed info, copies are available on line. I would have to look up the links but google is your freind (or benevolent overloard?)

Beautiful! I can see the effort you put into each piece, the boys at J and S would be proud!

woodwork at its very best!

Eric: I Used both the Delaware public archives archives Jackson and Sharp car blueprints, and photos during construction as well as my 1888 copy of The car builders Dictionary along with Herbert Danneman’s Rio Grande Narrow Gauge Varnish Books as reference. I would have added more details to it, like adding the roof ends and more interior woodwork and more of the exterior siding, but I was under a serious time crunch. I found out that I was going to be able to go to the Narrow Gauge convention 45 days before it was going to take place, so I had only about 30 days to construct the model with that being a couple hours in the evenings after work and most of the day on the weekends. I don’t think I would have go as far as I did, if it were not for access to a laser cutter at work that I was able to use to cut the Window frame and the Roof Carlines (Rafters). All of the wood used was cut for the same types as used on the originals on my 10" and 4" table saws. Even only having a short time to work on this project, I do think that it came out pretty well and the attendees at the 2017 National Narrow gauge Convention in Denver seems to think so and awarded me First Place in the Passenger Car Category. I have thought about finishing the car and using it, but A friend locally suggested that I build a model of a Car Shop and put the Passenger car inside it as part of the overall model. After thinking about it and finding a building locally that was built in the late 1800’s and photographing the interior and seeing all the heavy beams and rafters and how it was constructed. I have decide to us it as a guide to build the Car shops and put the Model inside it leaving one side open so it can be seen and use it as a focal point on my layout when I get to that point.

Dan

I like the idea of a car shop! Also congratulations on the well earned prise at the convention!

I like the idea of a car shop, too. Will this be inside, or outside?

Steve, the Car shops and the Passenger Car under construction will be indoors only. It was not built to withstand the elements. I have been talking to Bruce C. about building a Caboose in the same manor as the passenger car and have it in the building as well. All of the Structures and rolling stock I make out of wood are for my indoor railroad. Structures that are intended for outdoor use on my outdoor layout are made from Sintra and Styrene and ceder. Rolling stock for outdoor use are made out of plastic.

Dan

OUTSTANDING DAN…!

Right down to the support cribbing!!

Hehe…that’s great and congrats on the award!!!

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Great craftsmanship Dan. That is an awesome model. Congratulations on the 1st Place Award, you certainly deserved it.

Gee, if you had waited until January and cut it from single too by fore you could have swept the Mik Challenge! Absolutely amazing detail work. I love the idea of keeping it in this condition inside a shop building.