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    • July 15, 2017 7:19 AM EDT
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      Mike Wlez said:

      Well, that was short lived..., engine is fine, but the nice blue paint I put on the cylinder covers burned off. I'm thinking I should have used self-etching primer instead of a standard rust-o-leum primer. Any suggestions as to which brand is better?

       

      Try cleaning the covers first, might have had some oil still on it.  Make sure the parts being painted are warm as well as the spray paint.  I like to put the parts in the oven set at low so the paint can bake on.  

       

    • July 15, 2017 2:16 PM EDT
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      Just picked up a can of self-etching primer from O'Reilly's, I'll spray the covers down with Brake Clean, and get the rest of the paint and oil off, let them dry real good, and spray them later this afternoon.

    • July 15, 2017 2:19 PM EDT
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      Didja get Engine Paint, I think it's formulated for higher temps.

       

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    • July 16, 2017 5:29 PM EDT
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      I didn't, but I would think if I use the right primer, and like Shawn suggested, baking the finish on, I should be okay.

    • July 16, 2017 8:31 PM EDT
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      Mike - not if the paint is not rated for the temperature service it is going to be put in. Most paints are not rated for any higher than about 300-400 degrees. Above those temps the paint begins to break down and failure is in the future.

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    • July 17, 2017 9:37 PM EDT
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      Guess I'll be looking for a High Temp gloss navy blue then. Water boils around 212 F, I would hope the temp wouldn't exceed 400 F on the Sammie.

    • July 17, 2017 10:05 PM EDT
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      Super high heat header paint:

       

      https://www.walmart.com/ip/VHT-SP110-FlameProof-Coating-Flat-Blue-Paint-Can-11-oz/179185262?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=1122&adid=22222222227048501209&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=146923747569&wl4=aud-261800282100:pla-259134010711&wl5=9031533&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=101593696&wl11=online&wl12=179185262&wl13=&veh=sem

       

      High Heat Caliper paint:

      http://www.brandsport.com/vhtp-sp732.html?cmp=fwgs2011&gclid=Cj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q74h3VeD5Ncaz-p0-ElRMgRLBOg6qvPZiOyvGzssIgDHzw-rA3ubYgaAmLBEALw_wcB

       

      Anodized blue engine paint:

      http://www.tcpglobal.com/VHTSP451.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q7_3CVpg1B4wwkCBvPSpmRz0HkyDLp1nxD-r0GAvHzMDezuUlGhi7saAhzJEALw_wcB#.WW1sVITyu70

      Various blues including Holden blue if you are feeling like a Road Warrior:

      http://www.vhtpaint.com/high-heat/vht-engine-enamel

    • July 17, 2017 10:58 PM EDT
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      Thanks Todd, while reading the specs on the VHT, it describes curing as baking at 200 F, or  "the inherent heat of normal braking operations will also accomplish curing".

       

      I wonder if the heat from the cylinders count as inherent heat? Temp at the cylinders should be minimum of 212 F. Next time I run her, I'll have to pull out my digital thermometer and shoot the cylinders.

       

      And that looks like the right shade of blue.

    • July 17, 2017 11:52 PM EDT
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      Water boils at 212 F, but steam gets much hotter than that.  You need a paint that will withstand at least 350 F, 400 F would be better.

    • July 18, 2017 5:37 AM EDT
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      Ah, water in a pressure vessel (under pressure) boils at temperatures above 212f

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    • July 18, 2017 12:50 PM EDT

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      And boils at lower temp if pressure is less, like about 203 degrees in Denver Co.

       

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    • July 18, 2017 7:26 PM EDT
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      Yep. Or if your space suit springs a leak, the water in your body will boil at body temperature. But that is going kind of counter to the discussion.

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    • July 18, 2017 10:15 PM EDT
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      Colin Criswell said:

      Water boils at 212 F, but steam gets much hotter than that.  You need a paint that will withstand at least 350 F, 400 F would be better.

       

       

      The VHT premium paint is rated at 550 F, and the header paint is rated to 2000 F, so it'll be fine.

       

    • July 25, 2017 8:30 PM EDT
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      Mike you don't need the high temp paints. I have used acrylics and regular krylon paints with no issues. That is directly on the boiler.
      This post was edited by Shawn Viggiano at July 26, 2017 10:13 PM EDT
    • July 25, 2017 8:30 PM EDT
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      Mike you don't need the high temp paints. I have used acrylics and regular krylon paints with no issues.
    • July 25, 2017 9:06 PM EDT

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      we heard you the first time before the edit

       

    • July 25, 2017 9:20 PM EDT
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      The high temp paint helps though, espically on anything near the smoke box or cylinders.  Some paints, even ones that are not high temp do ok.  I believe that RH uses a certain Acrylic automotive style paint in the factory with all finishes baked to cure and harden the paint.   I bake my trains in my oven on an old cookie sheet at 180' F for about an hour or so.  You want the bake the paint away from the oils and grease on the steamer.  A base etching primer does help and will need to be baked for 1 hour before you apply the finish color.   Been painting smaller scale brass model trains for years.  Mike

    • July 26, 2017 9:55 AM EDT
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      Tony - a more fulsome explication would be much appreciated. :)

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      This post was edited by tac Foley at July 26, 2017 9:56 AM EDT
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