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    • November 27, 2014 10:12 AM EST
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      I can give a bit of experience.  Until 4 years ago, I had been exclusively a Windows developer.  The only exposure to Mac that I had was cross-compiling applications on a G5, but never any direct development.  4 years ago I changed jobs, and am now completely Mac-centric at work.  We're developing a web-based health application with iOS and Android support.  

       

      That said, I can say, from our experience, Chrome and Firefox, on both Mac and PC, are the easiest to develop for, because they follow the standards to the letter.  IE has their own take on the standards, so requires an extra bit of front end work, plus IE/Mac and IE/Win are DIFFERENT as well.  Safari/Mac vs Safari/iOS also contain some different functionality.


      To combat these kinds of differences, you can do several things. One, spend a giant amount of development (and continuing support) making sure that your application works the same across all platforms.  This is the route we're taking at work.  Its a giant time sink, but you get the best kind of site out of it.  OR, you can choose to support the lowest-common-denominator across all browsers. This is the easiest up-front, but you get the 'worst' functionality application.  OR, you can do what t a lot of sites (including LSC) do. Support the majority of them for the lowest time investment, and have workarounds for the rest.


      That being said, Mac vs PC is a religious or political question.  :)

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    • January 28, 2015 4:20 PM EST
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      Posted using IE 11.00.9600.17498

      People have needed to turn compatibility mode on in their browsers since about IE 8...

      I think a general note that you may need compatibility mode on for ANY web site using ANY version of IE would be fine. You can have this issue on 10, 9, 8 and actually 7.

      Oh, site works fine with IE 12 also.

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    • January 28, 2015 4:25 PM EST
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      Thanks, Greg. I think the issue that crops up with people is that they get a new computer, and IE by default has compatibility mode OFF, and then sites stop working.

       

      ARGH!

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    • January 28, 2015 6:48 PM EST
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      I have to agree with you Bob. I just replaced our old computer with a new one and couldn't understand why I couldn't reply to any of the posts on this site.  I don't know why I went to this thread but it explained how to fix the problem and now I can post again.  What makes me mad is that most of my programs that ran on XP will not even load up on my new Windows 7.  Don't you just love progress.

      Chuck

    • January 28, 2015 7:08 PM EST
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      Chuck,

      I had a Ford Ranger 4X4 and broke the automatic locking hub. The only piece of that hub that was not replaceable individually was incidentally  the only plastic piece in the hub and the part that was engineered to be the piece to break. Well it broke like it should have and I was told I would have to buy an entire hub assembly at $400.00 dollars to replace the only part that was supposed to break.

       

      I say this only to point out that MS intentionally updates its programs to make older versions obsolete and unusable so that you will have to also up grade software.

       

      Isn't capitalism grand...

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    • January 28, 2015 7:49 PM EST
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      Chuck Inlow said:

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      What makes me mad is that most of my programs that ran on XP will not even load up on my new Windows 7.  Don't you just love progress.

      Chuck

      I can feel your pain, Chuck. It really is a mug's game, the EU Commission fined MS € 561 million for the bundled IE in the Win OS and stipulated that a choice of browser must be part of the install (Anti-Trust action).
      Five years later MS quietly removes that choice. It would appear that they take their chance; that kind of money is chump change for the big guys.


      BTW when I bought the current 'puter I added a second 1T HDD. The intent was to run a dual boot setup with XP and Win7; nope couldn't get that to work, but from what I read in plenty of posts I have lots of company. 

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    • January 28, 2015 8:20 PM EST

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      I have a win 8.1 machine with virtual XP installed.

      Comes in handy when I need to use a couple of XP programs I like that cannot be installed in Win 8.1.

      I must be one of the few users that actually likes W 8.1. Probably because I do not know any better.  So, with the XP as well, I have the best of both Worlds.

       

      Before anyone asks, no, I have no idea how that was done, but it works just fine.

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    • January 28, 2015 9:40 PM EST
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      Tony Walsham said:

      I have a win 8.1 machine with virtual XP installed.

      Comes in handy when I need to use a couple of XP programs I like that cannot be installed in Win 8.1.

      I must be one of the few users that actually likes W 8.1. Probably because I do not know any better.  So, with the XP as well, I have the best of both Worlds.

       

      Before anyone asks, no, I have no idea how that was done, but it works just fine.

       


      It's a free download from MS. I tried it, found it too poky.

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    • January 29, 2015 12:52 AM EST
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      Actually there's several options that people refer to as the virtual XP... you can make a true virtual machine and load xp into it, or you can run a program called virtual xp...

       

      only certain versions of 8 will do the true virtual machine.

       

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    • January 29, 2015 1:20 AM EST

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      HJ.

      I do know that the XP program did not come from MS.  I think Oracle.

      Greg.

      I have no idea whether or not it is a proper virtual XP.

      I do know it can install programs that my W8.1 machine cannot, and they work flawlessly.  Files can be modified from and saved to the regular hard drive.

       

      BTW I never use IE 11.  Just Mozilla Firefox, which works just fine for me.

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    • January 29, 2015 1:35 AM EST
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      could you be talking VirtualXP ?  it is a program that runs under the virtual machine provided by windows... (as I said)...

       

      http://www.farstone.com/software/VirtualXP.php

       

      No one is telling you to use IE11, just if you do, make sure you have compatibility mode on.

       

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    • January 30, 2015 4:07 PM EST
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      "... It seems like the best thing to do is grab Firefox"

       

      I've been using the product (vers 35.0.1) as the default browser on both the desktop and laptop(s) for over a decade, and keep as low as possible IE version on the HDD just in case some corp. (like HP)  will only talk with IE to upload software. 

       

      imho

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    • January 30, 2015 8:42 PM EST
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      Actually, no version of IE is safe ha ha!  Slowly the banks are realizing that their websites that took advantage of special features in IE need to be HTML 5 "pure"... but they really move slow.

       

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    • March 21, 2015 7:47 AM EDT
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      About a year ago when I purchased my current computer I was having problems logging onto this site using IE11.

       

      After selecting the *Compatibility View Settings* and adding this site I lucked out and it cured 99% of the issues for me.

       

      After Bob updated the site I really could no longer access this site with the same computer, it just looked awful, lots of *x* looking things where their was supposed to be icons and what not. So I have been viewing the site mostly from my work computer (which seems to work fine running IE11) or by using my IPhone.

       

      This morning for some reason using my own computer something made me go back and check the compatibility view settings and sure enough this web site was still listed in the box that stores what you have selected for compatibility view issues.

       

      Well, I unselected the site from the compatibility view and now everything looks perfect!! I can see all the little images and icon thingies that were all X'd out... its like viewing a real website again! 

      This post was edited by Vincent D'Agostino at March 21, 2015 7:49 AM EDT
    • March 21, 2015 11:02 PM EDT
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      This means that the new website software is pretty up to date with the latest technology in browsers.

      Thanks Bob!

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    • March 21, 2015 11:34 PM EDT
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      It appears the IE is slowly dying (hopefully) and will be (maybe) replaced by Spartan, one can only hope. 

       

      http://www.pcworld.com/article/2863878/microsofts-reported-spartan-browser-will-be-lighter-more-flexible-than-internet-explorer.html

       

      To paraphrase Tricky Dick "You won't have IE to kick around anymore"!

      This post was edited by Mark Hadler at March 21, 2015 11:34 PM EDT
    • March 22, 2015 1:49 PM EDT
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      Yep, they have been working on a replacement for a long time.

      The trend is towards more lightweight tools, and the o/s itself, I can install windows 10 in a 1 gig system, and clearly it's also on their phones as well as tablets, thus the lightweight "push".

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    • March 22, 2015 2:04 PM EDT
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      So they are finally trying to clean out all of the extraneous "stuff"? Cool.

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    • March 22, 2015 9:37 PM EDT
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      It has too much "baggage", backwards compatibility junk, poor HTML5 compatibility, and just plain too big and too slow.

      Greg

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    • March 22, 2015 10:01 PM EDT
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      Greg, I know.  Thats why a "clean sheet design" is needed. Start from nothing, and don't include all the "junk" that IE has picked up over the decades.

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