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    • March 28, 2017 7:54 PM EDT
    • Todd you are right. The reason I started to ask questions was so you would not buy the wrong things You were answered about your power supply

      and the part that goes into your loc. is ok you just have to say what sound. Now is the base, there now two base stations as Dave has said the on board receiver does not like PWC . One of the bases is PWC and the other is the linear base station. The linear base is the one you need. If i am wrong please Dave say so.

      cheers richard

      RLD hobby has a good price and a sponsor

       

       

    • March 28, 2017 5:17 PM EDT
    •  You guys are losing me here.  The main reasons I'm considering the Revo is the cost, the sound control and the ease of install.   I'm not an electronics guy at all but I do know how to open up an engine and cut into a few wires. 

      What I don't know about is adding rectifiers, PWC bases, filter caps and whatever else that might be needed.

       

      Doesn't anyone make a system that can be wired in without all this extra stuff being required? 

       

      Basic sound with the ability to control the horn and bell is what I'm after.  Eventually I would consider battery RC operation on one or 2 engines.

      The last thing I want to do is spend more money on sound and control than I did on the whole engine. 

    • March 28, 2017 12:55 PM EDT
    • That is good to know, Richard - I am not sure what the issue is but I'll keep it in mind.... Thanks!

      dave

    • March 28, 2017 12:11 PM EDT
    • Trust me Dave it will not work with the new PWC base it causes a overload. I called Navin and asked and he said no way to use it with the new pwc base.

      cheers richard

    • March 28, 2017 11:30 AM EDT
    • Richard - not sure what you mean by "but this will not work with the new PWC base"

      Any of the base stations should be OK with the converter on their output

       

      dave

    • March 28, 2017 10:29 AM EDT
    • Yes Dave that is why it worked on the club layout it  has converter on it. But this will not work with the new PWC base, so he should buy the new linear base and he should be fine right?

    • March 28, 2017 9:16 AM EDT
    • You can also put the PWC-->Linear converter in line to remove virtually all vestiges of the PWC (PWM)  pulses.

      I wrote this up some time ago here:  http://www.trainelectronics.com/ART5700TrainEngineerRevolution/PWC--Linear_CRE57091/index.htm

      You can easily make your own as the parts are readily available and the circuit is quite simple

      dave

    • March 28, 2017 7:43 AM EDT
    • Since the revo base station puts out pulses at full track voltage, I would GUESS that an on board receiver could possibly work if one was to add a bridge rectifier and filter cap between the track and the onboard receiver.

       

      Todd, try this and let us know the results.

       

    • March 28, 2017 6:59 AM EDT
    • Richard - I would surely try it with the bridge rectifier board - cheap insurance!

      Let us know how it goes

       

      dave

    • March 27, 2017 9:09 PM EDT
    • Hi Dave I did read your tests but I don't know if they changed from the first and sec. gen. when they pulled the fuse out. The reason i say this i have run and some others have run on a club track with 2nd.gen. base and we have rev. in our locs. and run them. i can not tell you if i run the base up full or not. Also i do know the new PWC base does not like the passive PWC to linear board and been told do not use it and they do not sell it anymore. I thank i'll put that bridge in anyway thanks.

      cheers Richard

        

    • March 27, 2017 7:56 PM EDT
    • Todd / Greg- for more details on some experiments I did a few years ago see:

      http://www.trainelectronics.com/ART5700TrainEngineerRevolution/TrackSideRevolution/BaseDrivesAnother.htm

      dave

       

    • March 27, 2017 7:37 PM EDT
    • Todd Haskins said:

      {snip}  I know the Revo is made for track power but is it better suited for battery? 

      Thank you

      Hi Todd...   When I was using the REVOLUTION, I used it exclusively with battery power totally isolated from the track pickups.  I used the REVO in G gauge locomotives of all types and even in a number of O gauge applications where I would mount the battery and receiver in a box car behind the engines.  It worked wonderfully in all applications.    

       

      Even though I've sold most of my G gauge stuff, I still run a Bachmann Thomas with the G gauge receiver and a Hartland MACK with an HO Diesel sound receiver with battery power.   

    • March 27, 2017 7:25 PM EDT
    • That is what I wanted to hear David.  When I run multiple trains on my TE the diesels run faster than a Bachmann steamer which makes it interesting when trains catch up to one another and need to be held up or put on a siding to let the other pass.

       

      If I choose to run only the Revo equipped engine with the base station will the transmitter "talk" with the engine or with the base station or both? 

      If operating through the base will I be able to blow the horn on a sound equipped receiver in the engine? 

       

      Of course what Greg wrote is concerning.  Does the "freak out" have to do with my transformer?   Is the Revo more like a poor mans DCC where power is a constant voltage and the board picks up what it is told to by the operator?  

      I know the Revo is made for track power but is it better suited for battery? 

       

      Thank you

    • March 27, 2017 6:48 PM EDT
    • As I remember Dave, you tested the Revo to see if it was fed PWM at less than full "voltage" (really PWM is always variable width pulses of full voltage) would the onboard Revo "freak out".

       

      It's on your site right?

       

      I would assume that at some very low "speed" from a base station attached to the track, that the on board Revo would not be happy.

       

      Greg

       

    • March 27, 2017 4:31 PM EDT
    • Todd - your power supply should be fine with the Revolution & a base station.

      That setup (with the base station's output to the track) will work just like the old Train Engineer - you can have multiple trains on the track but all will get the same voltage and may run at different speeds.

      If you have the above running and add a loco with an internal Revo receiver it will work but changes in speed to the non-Revo locos through the base station will effect the Revo equipped one, too, as its input voltage will vary.

      Hope that helps - I am sure others have experience with what you are asking and will chime in with their observations.

       

      dave

       

    • March 27, 2017 3:48 PM EDT
    • I am still trying to figure out this new Revo system and could use some help.

      I have a aristo RS3 torn apart on my bench right now doing a remodel and repaint and I was thinking about adding in a Revo. 

      Without getting to technical on me...

       

      I am using a Aristo TE with a Crest switching transformer that under the "G" setting puts out 23 volts 12 amps. 

      If I get the Revo and base station can I use this transformer? 

      Will the base station act like my TE in that I can run several trains at once on my RR but not with independent control unless I add a Revo receiver into each loco.  Is that correct? 

       

      What if I setup one engine with a receiver but still want to run other engines without a receiver?   What about at the same time? 

       

      Does the base unit put a constant voltage to the track and the onboard receiver picks up what it needs to run depending on what the transmitter tells it to? 

       

      I'm trying to wrap my head around this system but the websites that sell these all seem to have the same generic info.

       

      1 Will the base station work with my Crest transformer?

      2  Can I run several engines without receivers from the base unit knowing that the "emergency stop"  shuts down everything on the track like it does with my TE?

      3 Can I have one engine with a receiver installed and still run other engines without them? 

       

      Thank you

       

    • March 22, 2017 6:26 PM EDT
    • Rockwall Canyon Jeff said:
      Most G scale control systems automatically switch the lighting with the direction of the locomotive.

      That's the behavior that I don't like, which was the motivation for ripping it all out and starting from scratch.

      I now have three functions: headlight, classification lights (white only), and number boards. Each function key cycles between three states (front, rear, off), and none is affected by the direction of movement of the engine. I may set it up so the number boards chase the headlight, but can still be controlled independently so I can leave them on with the headlight off.

      I'll put up a video next week. I've just landed in Denver, where I'll board the California Zephyr tomorrow morning for Emeryville!

    • March 22, 2017 1:56 PM EDT
    • Most G scale control systems automatically switch the lighting with the direction of the locomotive. On the real deal, the engineer has to do this manually, so depending on the situation, he won't always reverse the lighting during daylight switching. The other situation that pops up is when locomotives are trailing on a train. In this case the trailing locomotive will have its lights on in the opposite direction of travel acting as additional markers. You'll see this a lot at Conway Scenic when they have locomotives "bracketing" the train.

    • March 20, 2017 5:55 PM EDT
    • I'm working on a GP9, and building my own function decoder with an Arduino to control the couplers and lighting.  I'm planning to set it up to cycle between front and rear.  For example, hitting F0 will do this:

       

      first press: front headlight on (rear off)

      second press: rear headlight on (front off)

      third press: both off

      fourth press = first press, etc.

       

      I'll do the same with the number boards and classification lights.

       

      Question: since I'm new, is there any operational disadvantage to this scheme that I'm not considering?  I can't really imagine a situation where I'd want both ends of anything on.