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    • November 24, 2017 10:10 PM EST
    • Someone mentioned getting kids off cell phones, or using cell phones to operate the trains, on Facebook there is a guy working on , and is almost ready to sell a circuit board to connect your train to a bluetooth device. If it come out that may help the hobby by simplifying how things are run on the layout and get newer "techies" involved. My grandkids are getting interested in trains just because I am and because I had them graffitti a car and told them there will be a building with their name on the layout, so I hope to pass this on to them one day

    • November 24, 2017 1:18 AM EST
    • RE: "...I still cannot understand why 0-27 or 3 rail stuff hasn't died?..."


      I agree, but maybe with respect to electrical function using track power, the third center rail allows trains to loop back through a turnout from where it came without incurring an electrical short that would happen with a 2 rail track configuration - simplifying layout wiring.

      -Ted

    • November 23, 2017 11:02 PM EST
    • " Rooster " said:

      Wow...I could say an awful lot on this issue that has been brought up many many times. What I will say is that I do agree with Shawn to an extent. However these kids also need exposure to the 1:1 stuff before they can even comprehend modeling it.  Honestly I still cannot understand why 0-27 or 3 rail stuff hasn't died? That is SO unrealistic and with today's realism why would kids want it? I still struggle with a decision that a local museum made to do a grand scale 3 rail 0-27 layout.  I feel G scale will be around for awhile but if you cannot find ready to run stuff that you want then you make it out of what is available (which is plentiful) and follow the 10' rule as suggested. That rule has always worked for me?

      With that said I think Shawn's son needs to visit Uncle Rooster and Great grandpa Hollywood for summer camp. We will spend time together on the Keystone Corridor,Norfolk Southerns Enola Yard, Lurgan Branch,Rutherford/Greencastle intermodal yard along with the rest of the stuff that is around. Yes..you are a good dad and spend time with all your kids however your oldest boy would like to expand his horizons beyond the pull string stuff and backwoods logging that dad is into. Besides he won't really understand what a class A climax is until he is married(or so we hope). 

      Thanksgiving beef coma has set in

       

       

      Rooster,

      The draw (to 027 and 3 rail stuff)  for the younger set is probably the speed and the noise, they don't call it "Slot Trains" for no reason.

      You mention that these trains are so unrealistic and why would kids want that in today's realism,  well their realism is mostly "virtual" and that is basically what, animated cartoons?
       
      Just the thoughts of an old fart
      Rick
       

    • November 23, 2017 9:07 PM EST
    • Wow...I could say an awful lot on this issue that has been brought up many many times. What I will say is that I do agree with Shawn to an extent. However these kids also need exposure to the 1:1 stuff before they can even comprehend modeling it.  Honestly I still cannot understand why 0-27 or 3 rail stuff hasn't died? That is SO unrealistic and with today's realism why would kids want it? I still struggle with a decision that a local museum made to do a grand scale 3 rail 0-27 layout.  I feel G scale will be around for awhile but if you cannot find ready to run stuff that you want then you make it out of what is available (which is plentiful) and follow the 10' rule as suggested. That rule has always worked for me?

      With that said I think Shawn's son needs to visit Uncle Rooster and Great grandpa Hollywood for summer camp. We will spend time together on the Keystone Corridor,Norfolk Southerns Enola Yard, Lurgan Branch,Rutherford/Greencastle intermodal yard along with the rest of the stuff that is around. Yes..you are a good dad and spend time with all your kids however your oldest boy would like to expand his horizons beyond the pull string stuff and backwoods logging that dad is into. Besides he won't really understand what a class A climax is until he is married(or so we hope). 

      Thanksgiving beef coma has set in

    • November 23, 2017 6:34 PM EST
    • Shawn Viggiano said:
      ...I think parents need to take a step back and do things with their kids rather then watch their kids.... 

       

         Truer words were never spoken, especially on this Thanksgiving Day. One element about this that's neglected as a factor, in my opinion: I see parents all over the place who are more addicted to their phones and cameras than any kid could ever be.

       

    • November 23, 2017 6:31 PM EST
    •    Dave, my insight on this is that I have to do everything I can to prevent myself from buying readily-available stuff, including "rare" stuff. So I don't worry much.

       

    • November 23, 2017 2:21 PM EST
    • "....You want to see the hobby grow? Have supplies and items readily available? Have new products at affordable prices? Then get out and promote and participate in the hobby..."  !!! :)

       

      Unlike (posted as IMHO) elsewhere on another g-gauge flavoured forum (thread) titled, 

      "What happened to cause the downturn of the large scale market sales ? ....

      ... And a lot of peoples get involved in (different) things,  because to them it is trendy,  so seeing this new outdoor-flavoured  hobby they jumped into it !  When the trendy/new aspect of it wore off it and the economy went 'south',   they used that as an reason to bail out of one of their latest trendy past-times.
       

      As mentioned on another forum (thread), here in town a bricks 'n mortar has brought in the G-gauge line of Piko   to supplement their previous stock of small scales (n/ho - marklin, trix, piko +) . 
      And added 'bonus' to consumers, (and kudos to this Cdn bricks'nmortar) .... their pricing of this g-gauge manufacturer product is cheaper than the regional-based "online" shop  !!


      All consumer goods markets have/had  gone soft,  but as a recent media report stated the peoples in the top % level are making higher earnings  although unsaid,  was not for the frontline staffers that those top %  laid off since '08 u.s generated crash, and the collapse of the O/G industry.


      Oh yeah both these vendors (brick & online) up here in Canada, not selling msrp or higher,   as 3 other local HSs  used to do previous to  bailing-out (no re-stocking of G-gauge new prod. nor NOS) 8-10 yrs ago  ..." 

      Still IMHO !

       

      And regards equipment acquisitions in most regions (especially/seemingly the usofa) the HSs have disappeared,  but you surf -you network-you will    hear of peoples who have to (or chose to) downsize their (or significant others) railway 'collection'.     I keep telling myself you have enough,   stay away from those occ. offerings,  but at times the quality & pricepoint of a piece, makes it a offering I can not walk away from ... happening  here-now ;)   !

      doug c

       

       

    • November 23, 2017 12:29 PM EST
    • You don't attract them away from cell phones, you have them download the app that runs trains on your layout... BANG! they are hooked. Then when they see a controller with even more buttons, and 32 different sounds they can control and working couplers, and remote switches, and on-board video.... well, it's no effort at all!

       

      Greg

    • November 23, 2017 9:34 AM EST
    • In the early boom days of the large scale expansion much of the product was bought by folks that had already retired, now, ten to fifteen years later many of these folks have either passed on or have gotten to the age where they can no longer participate in the hobby and as a result the market is flooded with used equipment. This will no doubt continue for some time and as long as there is a healthy market of used equipment available I find it would be unlikely that we will see much of the older items available as new stock.

    • November 23, 2017 7:33 AM EST
    • I think Boomer nailed it.  There is so much on the used market today between Ebay, auction sites and swap and shop on Facebook.  If you are looking for Aristo stuff they do come up often on the G scale swap and at decet prices compared to Ebay.

      I agree with Greg with attracting the younger generation.  The question is how do we get them away from the cell phones and being transported from one sport to the next.  I think parents need to take a step back and do things with their kids rather then watch their kids.  

    • November 23, 2017 12:14 AM EST
    • Honestly, these aren't my "scale" but they do look nice...

      http://myemail.constantcontact.com/AML-Newsletter-November-2017.html?soid=1124183606662&aid=kiaxpXrmtPw

      Robert

    • November 22, 2017 2:47 PM EST
    • Wow thanks for all the replies very informative info. Its funny, I come from Z scale and have been doing that for 15 years so I'm used to limited runs and e-bay. I'm glad to hear that the scale seems to be growing despite some manufactures shutting down. And Greg I can't believe I missed the aristo craft time line. On the Large scale main page even. I was so excited to dive in must have passed it right up. I do agree Aristo craft seemed more "blue collar" and a nice Segway from a Bachmann starter set without breaking the wallet. I will say as someone new to the scale the gauge difference has been a challenge 1-32 1-29 narrow gauge etc. glad there is so much conversation on the subject to help decide but it still like looking at a huge menu and you like everything on it. Love the MTH big boy and challenger so now I need 1-32 cars for them to pull. Holy cow Love the USA Hudson got to have it (with UP paint no less) great now I need some 1-29. good god its like VHS and Beta all over again . Either way it is what it is and I'm sure people like what they like but when looking at 1-32 its either MTH or lots of $$$. Bear in mind none of this really bothers me it's a new playing field for me and I'm just getting to know the players. I already own 6 USAT SD40-2 all off ebay all with fixable problems but that's what I like to do, fix things. Happy thanksgiving everyone be safe.

    • November 24, 2017 5:08 PM EST
    • Randy, this club is in the Atlanta area Georgia Garden Railway Society

      Maybe he could contact on of the members. 

      I used to know a few of them, but lost touch. 

    • November 24, 2017 2:16 PM EST
    • Hi Randy,

      Have your friend try the polarity switch behind the smoke box door.

      The red switch at the rear of the engine is for the sound.

       

      Also, her's a link to Bachmann's online instructions.

      http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/dwg/dwgs/LargeScaleBigHaulersInstructions2016.pdf

       

      Happy Thanksgivings.

       

      Adam

    • November 24, 2017 1:54 PM EST
    • Hi guys,

       

      I have a buddy that is down in Atlanta GA trying to set up an out door RR for his grandson.   He has an EBT 10 Wheeler and can not get it to run.  I had him flip the loco and touch the leads from the power pack to the drivers.  Nothing.  I did have him quickly touch the leads together and he said the was an arc so there is power.  I also had him disconnect the tender and try touching leads to the drivers and also no luck.  He sent me a picture (blurry) and I saw the red power switch and he also tried this to no avail.  He said this ran fin in his house last Christmas and isn't abused so this is quite a mystery so far. 

       

      Is there anyone in Atlanta that I might be able to connect him with that he could drop by and have look at it in person?  I'm betting it would be something obvious if I had it in front of me.

       

      Any help as always, is appreciated.

    • November 23, 2017 7:48 PM EST
    • Your welcome, and a Happy Thanksgiving backatcha!

    • November 23, 2017 1:58 PM EST
    • Well, the order is in...Thanks again to all for your guidance, and please accept my wishes for a Happy Thanksgiving!

       

      Aloha,

      Eric

    • November 23, 2017 12:36 PM EST
    • Wow, 4 to 5 inches above the fan?

      Ok, trying to reason that out, the only thing that makes sense is no restriction in the airflow. A restricted airflow should make the heating element hotter, so this "theory" hangs together.

      Do you know if the heater gets full voltage, or is there some kind of voltage regulator? What I would think to try is the wire heating element but a longer one, which should run a bit cooler, i.e. last longer.

      Looking at the condition of the wick is smart, that's your "heat indicator".

       

      Greg

       

      mike dorsch said:

       Since I last spoke to someone at Harbor Models he added a addendum to their web page explaining that there should be 4 to 5 inches of clearance above the fan for proper airflow .  That sounds like a lot of room but that's what they recommend. I have been dabbling around with the smoker and tried a few different resistors in it. I also ran it with a wire heating element. As it turned out the hairdryer wire heating element worked the best. I cut the wire to the length where it doesn't glow but its real hot.  The resistors were starting to blacken and break down again . I ran it with the wire heating element for over 30 minutes before it ran out of fluid , and it was belching smoke the whole time . After it cooled off I took it apart to see how much fluid it used and how the wick looked. Well it sucked up all 3 0z of smoke fluid and the wick was not burnt . I'm still going to do more running the unit with the wire just to satisfy my concerns about it starting on fire but so far it seems like it just might work and hold up. If it has sufficient fluid in it and I use only smoke fluid I think it will be safe to use.

       

    • November 22, 2017 10:27 PM EST
    • Okay I hope your messin with the old man now Mr. Rooster Russell. I thought that was your first name.

    • November 22, 2017 10:16 PM EST
    • Greg, I am glad to hear that. You are exactly correct on the Aristo axle block. It drives me crazy. My Dash 9 will derail just as you talked about, the center axle will come up on a rise and the front axle will derail in a curve. As little as a 1/16" rise. If they are forgiving on cross level as the GP-38 and GP-30, then it should run well on the layout. Thanks all for the input.