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    • November 11, 2018 7:37 PM EST
    •    We used the same things for our framework! I use 4x4 legs and 2x4 cross pieces. I also used 2x6 around the edges!

         I used 4x8  board for the top that is used as roof under layment. . It is lighter than particle board and a little more water resistant. What did you use to make "ground" over the particle board?

    • November 11, 2018 6:45 PM EST
    • Others will say I over engineer it, but I use 2x4s for the frame and particle board for the surface. At close to 300 lbs, I can get up and walk or crawl on it and know it's solid.

      Also, consider what you will want or need to store under the table to determine the height off the floor.

    • November 11, 2018 6:38 PM EST
    •    I haven't built an indoor layout in 50 years. Times have changed!

         I am looking for ideas on what I should use for the flat surface I will have on the Dirty and Dusty Timesaver?

         I am looking for an indoor surface that will have buildings on it.

    • November 11, 2018 7:28 PM EST
    • This is going to be fun Korm. /Using all those things we were told not to use outside!


    • November 11, 2018 7:16 PM EST
    • indoors there is an infinite number of possibilities.


      for more pronounced ups and downs i use chickenwire, stapled to wooden substructure (some pieces of wood glued down to my fancy)

      then covered with toiletpaper (better than kitchenpaper) and plaster. (or white glue, or a mix of white glue and plaster)


      or you can put newspapers or cardboxes in a kitchen mixer, cook the result with water to the consistence of porridge and smear that on.


      or use a paste of white glue with sawdust.


      for rocks, ripp (not cut) apart an old foam mattress, soak the pieces in a glue-plaster-sand mix.


      or use thin styropor sheets (1/5")

      where you want a hill, put a more or less high "something", and glue the sheet in the valleys to the underground. (works at an inch height per foot distance max.)


      or you make some little crumps of newspaper, and throw an old towel, -wet with plaster- over them.


      or take whatever junk your hand can reach without leaving the room.


      when using plaster, always "enrich" it with sand or sawdust. - for a rough, more natural surface.


      and most important of all... never start landscaping, when you got less than two full pots of white glue.


      work from the background to the foreground. - that helps the learning curve and you cover up all the drops of glue and plaster.


      and if you are not content with the result, either rip out and redo, or patch up, or take off the glasses, step back and look again.

    • November 11, 2018 6:30 PM EST
    •    I have not built an indoor layout for 50 years!

         But times change.

         The Dirty and Dusty indoor Timesaver will be landscaped!

         The Timesaver will be flat but I would like a surface that will have buildings, etc.

         What can I use for that flat surface that has a good look? What did you use?


    • November 11, 2018 12:37 PM EST
    •    I will.

         I  spent an hour last night  trying to post a picture from my Mac with no luck.

         Before this update awhile back it was easy to post pictures.

         I even wrote the article on how to do it!

         I created a new file in Freight Shed for the Timesaver and Bob had posted that drag and drop works for posting and it didn't. I also tried cut and paste, etc. to no avail!

         Where there's a will there's a way. I hope!

    • November 11, 2018 1:09 AM EST
    • Keep us informed more. At least your layout is moving forward, mine is still covered with boxes.

    • November 9, 2018 5:46 PM EST
    • The track is laid. now it is time to wire it. Next I will start building buildings!

    • August 18, 2018 9:59 AM EDT
    • It is also rather impressive on the outside...

    • August 18, 2018 8:22 AM EDT
    • John Le Forestier said:

      All this indoor work looks like a fine installation.  ...Looking forward to coming for my first visit to see the whole railroad soon......

      And bring your hiking gear................

    • August 18, 2018 7:37 AM EDT
    • All this indoor work looks like a fine installation.  ...Looking forward to coming for my first visit to see the whole railroad soon......

    • August 16, 2018 10:35 AM EDT
    • Great pics!  Looks good!  Be nice to give it a try at the September Ops.  On the 15th and 16th of September.  Its coming quick.

    • August 16, 2018 9:11 AM EDT
    • Sean, on that lower level, I am using a 1/4 inch foam insulation.. It comes as an accordion package (2 ft by 4 ft) from Lowes or Home Depot...  

      I paint it with a dark gray Primer paint, then staple it to the plywood base..  Use it to deaden the sound of running on plain plywood..



    • August 16, 2018 6:31 AM EDT
    • What material are you using between the tracks and the table top ? Man that's looking real nice Andy !

    • August 15, 2018 11:08 PM EDT
    • Again, I always love to see pics of this RR!! Thanks. Great job.

    • August 15, 2018 7:04 PM EDT
    • Tell Jane the sky is taking shape. The pics show the progression of steps 

    • August 15, 2018 6:46 PM EDT
    • Started on the Peninsula in the basement and have been working on the lower level freight yard extension for Outside Ops sessions..

      Below on the right is the start of the 10 ft diameter half circle to connect with other side of the Peninsula..


      Below picture is the left half of that half circle which connects it to the newer 20ft long yard..



      Below shows the area for the freight car part of the yard..  5 tracks on the right is for freight car storage and the far left track is for the lead

      to the RDC's and Business passenger car storage..


      Below shows the switch configuration  and the RDC/Business passenger car storage..


      With that being almost completed it just about finishes off the freight yard tracks for the lower level..  There is a slight more work to be done with the tables to make easier access to some switches and such..

    • July 27, 2018 1:41 PM EDT
    • I wondered when you'd have to build curved engines and cars to 'git around'?

      A new take on the rubber scale?

    • July 27, 2018 12:55 PM EDT
    • Well I have to admit when I've screwed up, and I have screwed it up. I have to cry uncle and admit I made the curves on this way too tight, almost nothing will run on it without eventually derailing. On my previous pizzas the diameter of the circles was 21" at the centerline. This one is more like less than 19" maybe closer to 18", it make a massive difference on which cars/engines and how they move around it. So this one the track is going to have to be pulled up and try again, if I can get more track. I dont mind this Gargraves stuff but second time around if I use it, I'm going to remove 2/3s of the ties just for appearances. I'm also going to have to rework the foam so I can get 22" diameter onto it, 23" would be even better. Oh well, so it goes.