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    • November 15, 2018 7:08 AM EST
    • Not a lot of comments related to landscaping   I'm not much of an indoor landscaper either, however I have finished about 3 square feet of mine!  For flat surfaces I am using a polystyrene grass mat - forget who makes it, will look tonight.  The rest is built up from cut wood (last year's challenge portal) and carved HDU foam for retaining walls. I don't plan on any mountains, just building flats and backgrounds with the foreground being flat with perhaps some ballast and grasses someday.


      Take a look at Kevin Strong's blog for his indoor ON30. He has done some really nice stuff and I think his blog touches on the techniques.


      P.S. Sorry Roo. Just keeping it interesante!



      EDIT to add:  The brand I am using is Woodland Scenics. It's a little pricey but comes in a 50" wide roll which worked great for my benches.  With a heat gun it can be molded to make mounds and hills.

    • November 14, 2018 2:22 PM EST
    • I used 1/2" plywood OSB left over from the garage build, on top of 1x4 framing supports, I can stand on it no trouble.

    • November 13, 2018 1:33 PM EST
    • My lower level bench work consists of tables made leftover OSB atop 1x4 frames supported by 2x4 posts with diagonal cross braces made from scrap.  These tables have supported my full weight multiple times without issue.


      Upper level is 1x12's or 1x10's atop ordinary shelf brackets.


      Scenery:  I experimented with the green paper mats.  Better than bare wood, though a bit lacking.  I use el-cheapo sandpaper for the roadbed.  Last year, I took a badly frayed green bath towel, cut strips off it, and glued it to wooden strips to mimic grass.  It's passable, especially when I stuck other stuff in there - Lemax shrubs, rocks from the driveway and whatnot. 


      Upcoming project: making plaster mountains, something I have not done since I was about twelve years old.  Ought to be interesting to see how big of a mess that'll be.


    • November 13, 2018 5:53 AM EST
    • The thing now is blue/pink/green extruded styrene insulation foam sheets.

    • November 12, 2018 5:45 PM EST
    • Well, I've never got to the point of landscaping. I built a lot of layouts, but never got any of them landscaped.


    • November 11, 2018 7:37 PM EST
    •    We used the same things for our framework! I use 4x4 legs and 2x4 cross pieces. I also used 2x6 around the edges!

         I used 4x8  board for the top that is used as roof under layment. . It is lighter than particle board and a little more water resistant. What did you use to make "ground" over the particle board?

    • November 11, 2018 6:45 PM EST
    • Others will say I over engineer it, but I use 2x4s for the frame and particle board for the surface. At close to 300 lbs, I can get up and walk or crawl on it and know it's solid.

      Also, consider what you will want or need to store under the table to determine the height off the floor.

    • November 11, 2018 6:38 PM EST
    •    I haven't built an indoor layout in 50 years. Times have changed!

         I am looking for ideas on what I should use for the flat surface I will have on the Dirty and Dusty Timesaver?

         I am looking for an indoor surface that will have buildings on it.

    • November 12, 2018 1:51 PM EST
    • Thanks John. That track plan wasn't even what I built. It was a plan I considered building and the pictue was taken months before I took the one that's there! Glad you fond it can be clicked!



      Korm, those figures were created by a friend in Canada. I wish I was that good of an artist!

    • November 12, 2018 8:50 AM EST
    • Doug, clicking on your pic opens it to 3x4 and there's an arrow to another pic of the layout drawing.

    • November 12, 2018 8:44 AM EST
    • are figures of that line still avayable somewhere?

    • November 11, 2018 8:44 PM EST
    • Yesterday, two track inspectors that were originally from John Allen's 1950s-60s HO layout arrived to inspect the G scale Timesaver. Some of you might remember him. After an hour I got the picture to download. The picture was 4x3 inches but it came in tiny!



    • November 11, 2018 12:37 PM EST
    •    I will.

         I  spent an hour last night  trying to post a picture from my Mac with no luck.

         Before this update awhile back it was easy to post pictures.

         I even wrote the article on how to do it!

         I created a new file in Freight Shed for the Timesaver and Bob had posted that drag and drop works for posting and it didn't. I also tried cut and paste, etc. to no avail!

         Where there's a will there's a way. I hope!

    • November 11, 2018 1:09 AM EST
    • Keep us informed more. At least your layout is moving forward, mine is still covered with boxes.

    • November 9, 2018 5:46 PM EST
    • The track is laid. now it is time to wire it. Next I will start building buildings!

    • November 11, 2018 7:28 PM EST
    • This is going to be fun Korm. /Using all those things we were told not to use outside!


    • November 11, 2018 7:16 PM EST
    • indoors there is an infinite number of possibilities.


      for more pronounced ups and downs i use chickenwire, stapled to wooden substructure (some pieces of wood glued down to my fancy)

      then covered with toiletpaper (better than kitchenpaper) and plaster. (or white glue, or a mix of white glue and plaster)


      or you can put newspapers or cardboxes in a kitchen mixer, cook the result with water to the consistence of porridge and smear that on.


      or use a paste of white glue with sawdust.


      for rocks, ripp (not cut) apart an old foam mattress, soak the pieces in a glue-plaster-sand mix.


      or use thin styropor sheets (1/5")

      where you want a hill, put a more or less high "something", and glue the sheet in the valleys to the underground. (works at an inch height per foot distance max.)


      or you make some little crumps of newspaper, and throw an old towel, -wet with plaster- over them.


      or take whatever junk your hand can reach without leaving the room.


      when using plaster, always "enrich" it with sand or sawdust. - for a rough, more natural surface.


      and most important of all... never start landscaping, when you got less than two full pots of white glue.


      work from the background to the foreground. - that helps the learning curve and you cover up all the drops of glue and plaster.


      and if you are not content with the result, either rip out and redo, or patch up, or take off the glasses, step back and look again.

    • November 11, 2018 6:30 PM EST
    •    I have not built an indoor layout for 50 years!

         But times change.

         The Dirty and Dusty indoor Timesaver will be landscaped!

         The Timesaver will be flat but I would like a surface that will have buildings, etc.

         What can I use for that flat surface that has a good look? What did you use?


    • August 18, 2018 9:59 AM EDT
    • It is also rather impressive on the outside...