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    • May 20, 2019 9:47 AM EDT
    • Matt, Thanks for posting..

       

      Ken, actually Jane was the engineer of the coal train..

    • May 20, 2019 5:10 AM EDT
    • I'm assuming that was you operating the coal train. Does that thing take forever or what? Ric and I ran that last year, and when we got it out to the to power plant, we called Uber for a ride back to the house..................

    • May 19, 2019 11:38 PM EDT
    • Great video. Thanks Matt.  Definately on our someday list.

    • May 19, 2019 8:41 PM EDT
    • John Passaro said:

           I think the impression of size


       

       

       

    • May 8, 2019 6:58 AM EDT
    • Roundhouse did the same thing in HO. I have a set of Roundhouse Sierra passenger cars lettered for the G&D.

    • May 7, 2019 3:33 PM EDT
    • I also think it's neat that USA Trains paid homage to John Allen's railroad by releasing a Gorre & Daphetid reefer a few years ago.

    • May 7, 2019 3:29 PM EDT
    • I went down to Monterey to visit John Allen and his Gory and Defeated railroad around 1970 or '71. I'd read about it in Model Railroader and just had to see it. I spent a long time talking to John and he was a real gracious host and a smart man. A few other guys stopped by to run trains and we had lunch together. As I remember, the layout was down in his basement and plenty big but his little workshop took up some of the space. The whole place was cool (both homonyms) and you could smell the salt air off the ocean - I remember wearing a coat down there. Ironically, most of the layout later burned up because somebody tried to turn the furnace on. Glad John never saw the quick demise of his railroad.

    • May 7, 2019 2:48 PM EDT
    • John Passaro said:

         I talked to a guy who had the entire Sunday River Production video, and he told me that Allen's layout was much, much smaller than he imagined, and, for him, it made the whole concept of that kind of layout seem much more doable knowing it wasn't this gigantic empire. I think the impression of size and impossibility is mainly a function of Allen's photography skills. (Kind of like centerfold pin-ups!!!)

       

         I would never downplay or downgrade John Allen's concept, innovations, scratch-building, detail work, and attention to operations. I wouldn't downplay his achievements just because he didn't have a job and could work full time on his creation. I also think the fact that the layout burned down has added to the legend because the layout isn't around for inspection today. But..........the man was a pioneer. Period.

       

         Having said that, I think dozens of modellers today have surpassed Allen's work in quality by such a distance that comparisons are almost unfair.

       

       

       

       Perhaps, Allen Macllend and Tony Koester certainly come to mind, but John Allen will always be the benchmark by which others are measured. 

    • May 7, 2019 11:55 AM EDT
    • John Caughey said:

      I was jealous, I could never get permission for Floor to Ceiling scenery!

      Me too, but it gave me some ideas . .

    • May 7, 2019 11:52 AM EDT
    •    I talked to a guy who had the entire Sunday River Production video, and he told me that Allen's layout was much, much smaller than he imagined, and, for him, it made the whole concept of that kind of layout seem much more doable knowing it wasn't this gigantic empire. I think the impression of size and impossibility is mainly a function of Allen's photography skills. (Kind of like centerfold pin-ups!!!)

       

         I would never downplay or downgrade John Allen's concept, innovations, scratch-building, detail work, and attention to operations. I wouldn't downplay his achievements just because he didn't have a job and could work full time on his creation. I also think the fact that the layout burned down has added to the legend because the layout isn't around for inspection today. But..........the man was a pioneer. Period.

       

         Having said that, I think dozens of modellers today have surpassed Allen's work in quality by such a distance that comparisons are almost unfair.

       

       

       

    • May 7, 2019 5:43 AM EDT
    • Gary, ok. By the time I saw it, it had been expanded into a much larger empire.

    • May 6, 2019 9:40 PM EDT
    • I was jealous, I could never get permission for Floor to Ceiling scenery!

    • May 6, 2019 9:23 PM EDT
    • Gary Armitstead said:

      :) Most of us "elder model railroaders" grew up "lusting" over John Allen's awesome Gorre & Daphetid. :) 

      Exactly !!..... In 20 years (if I'm around) I will be saying the same thing about Amtrak modeling in the the 1980's!  Yes, I grew up with 1:1 trains running behind my house but only freight trains. At the time they were Penn Central then Conrail and now Norfolk Southern. When I saw that first Amtrak train across the river in Harrisburg highballing I was hooked at age 7.....just like the rest of the "elders" at age 7. The 1:1 line behind my house used to run the CVRR Pioneer along with many other now cherished relics. 

      Gotta love history ! Gotta love modeling Amtrak !

    • May 6, 2019 7:44 PM EDT
    • David Maynard said:

      "lusting"?

       

      Since big railroads like that were the ones to get the press, I felt like having a nice model railroad was impossible for me. So while I marveled at railroads like that, they also depressed me.

      Yeah......."lusting".......as in seeing so much railroad detail and character in a railroad occupying a space less then 4X8 feet. This was about 1953 or 1954. I was 11 years old. John Allen was a master in achieving the look of a large railroad without having one. the layout only became large many years after this time. Tragically, both John and the railroad succumbed at the same time due to a large fire destroying his home in Monterey, CA.

    • May 6, 2019 5:18 PM EDT
    • "lusting"?

       

      Since big railroads like that were the ones to get the press, I felt like having a nice model railroad was impossible for me. So while I marveled at railroads like that, they also depressed me.

    • May 6, 2019 2:08 PM EDT
    • :) Most of us "elder model railroaders" grew up "lusting" over John Allen's awesome Gorre & Daphetid. :) 

    • May 6, 2019 9:27 AM EDT
    • I wonder if there is more?

    • May 6, 2019 9:22 AM EDT
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    • May 7, 2019 6:38 PM EDT
    • It's a two day event, which has really turned into 3-4 days. I went up on Friday and didn't take a train to run. I didn't take any videos either. I just went to hang out. Saturday I took my coal train to run. Even got some good news, Robby is getting some more of those CSX bethgon's in very soon. Yay!