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    • December 5, 2019 7:17 PM EST
    • Thanks for that -  I found it, but as far as I can tell it is a mail list, not a web forum.  I'm done with lists. I've ben on the EBT list for something like 20 years. Too much mail to keep up with,. I'm still a member, but I delete everything that comes in.

    • December 3, 2019 8:21 AM EST

      All the data from the Yahoo forum is here also.


    • December 2, 2019 8:15 PM EST
    • it's now moved to

    • December 2, 2019 6:26 PM EST
    • I haven't Dennis.  I knew there was a group, but I've never been there.

    • December 2, 2019 8:28 AM EST
    • Have you posted this on the JMRI Forum?


    • December 1, 2019 3:19 PM EST
    • I havent had that one, but I regularly have to 'massage' an industry spurtwo, because JMRI stops serving them either with pickups or dropoffs.  Its never the same one, but pretty much after every ops session I have to manually move cars out of a spur back to one of the yards.

    • December 1, 2019 3:10 PM EST
    • Thanks Ken -


      In many cases there are multiple single or double car spots on a siding, so it would be kind of hard to change the capacity.


      I got the work done, took lots of siding space and multiple locomotives. My rules: use all the assets available as needed, both track and in-service locos.

    • December 1, 2019 12:55 PM EST
    • I haven't run into THAT one.......yet. Or maybe it has occurred and no one's mentioned it. 

      The only suggestion I can come up with is to shorten the siding by one car length. See what that does. 

      Then again, your solution seems to work. 


    • December 1, 2019 11:48 AM EST
    • I have created a route in JMRI that I call the West Willow Turn.  It departs from West Willow Hill and works all industry spots going East to the yard at Tyrone, then goes back working all the same industry spots Westbound.  JMRI likes the route just fine and builds a train with enough work to keep me busy for over an hour on my small indoor layout.


      The problem I am having is available space on sidings. JMRI wants to spot cars on the Eastbound leg that don't have a place to go until after the Westbound leg picks up cars. 


      It occurs to me that those that run multiple trains simultaneously may have also seen this issue when the "set out" train arrives before the "pick up train.


      Has anyone found a software fix for this?  I have  method to get around it by scanning ahead looking for the Westbound pick-ups. I'll do those pick-ups while Eastbound to make space for my Eastbound set-outs. Rather than take them with me where they won't be needed; I just leave them on the passing siding until the train returns Westbound.

    • July 23, 2019 2:31 PM EDT
    • Sounds like a plan!

    • July 23, 2019 2:11 PM EDT
    • I had to make a decision on this, since I can't lay any track until I figure it out.  I have decided to go with the SVRR pneumatic system.  I'm going to use JMRI and LCC to control it, using the LCC components from RR-CirKits.  I think this is the best approach, as it will allow me to integrate signals on the bus in the future, and the computer will already know the positions of the switches.

    • July 23, 2019 11:26 AM EDT
    • I have no experience with the new fangled stuff you are discussing. 18 years ago when I first built my indoor RR as a folded dog bone loop, I built a control panel / interlocking controller. Unfortunately; I can't find any pictures of it.  It was Route based switching for yards. Press the button on the destination track and it would throw all the switches need to get to that track from the main. All based on diode logic that was discussed on George Schreyer's web site.  I still have it on display, but it is no longer used since I switched to all manual switch control.

    • July 22, 2019 4:28 PM EDT
    • Yep, expensive, but reliable.

      And FWIW, by the time you outfit a nice Piko weatherproof machine with a DCC module (I couldn't find their earlier single-unit modules, only the 4-unit controllers), you might be looking at around $60-$75 per turnout.

    • July 22, 2019 4:22 PM EDT
    • I think I'll likely go with the pneumatics.  It's very expensive once you add up the piston and the solenoid, but I like the idea of keeping the electronics out of the weather.  

      If I use JMRI, I can use any number of multi-relay boards, either USB or ethernet, since it can be easily scripted in python or javascript.  

    • July 22, 2019 4:10 PM EDT
    • Greg Elmassian said:

      So Eric, if you use their system, the DCC version integrates with an NCE command station, and adding the Digitrax Ds64's would run your pneumatic solenoids.


      That would be one solution.




      After having gone through so much failure and hassle with servo-based switch machines, I'd have to say that the simplicity of Greg's approach makes me wish I'd gone down that road instead. Fewer moving parts; and the parts that do move are robust metal components. For myself though, I'll keep going with my R&D, because I'm stubborn, and because I have fairly reasonable hopes for the current design. 



    • July 21, 2019 6:54 PM EDT
    • So Eric, if you use their system, the DCC version integrates with an NCE command station, and adding the Digitrax Ds64's would run your pneumatic solenoids.


      That would be one solution.



    • July 21, 2019 8:09 AM EDT
    • Thanks Eric. I worked on the switch machine design over the winter, and got to the point of ordering the initial circuit boards. But I'm afraid I haven't put it together yet for testing... need to do that.

    • July 21, 2019 6:10 AM EDT
    • Todd,

      Thanks.  Very impressive.  I'm not running track power, so my needs are a bit simpler.  I do really want my panel(s) to be wireless, as switching in my yard will require walking around a bit.



      Very nice design on those panels.  I'm not married to the pneumatics, but haven't been wowed by the outdoor servo options.  I had forgotten that you were working on a new design.  Where does that stand?  Honestly, I would prefer an electronic option, as that's more in my wheelhouse.  I don't mind using DCC.  My track will be dead, but that doesn't mean I can't run a DCC bus alongside it.

    • July 20, 2019 10:15 PM EDT
    • Yep, Digitrax DS64, cheap, will control four 24v solenoids, all powered from the rails, so no help to Eric unfortunately.