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    • November 23, 2015 3:02 AM EST
    • Thank you Jon. I read some of that in the Instructions, but was a tad reluctant to try it, not knowing what I was doing. I have a thumb drive I can stick it on. I'm on Win 7 now and if and/or when I ever decide to go to 10 that'll be a big help.

      I'm still tweaking the JMRI program to get to where I had it originally. The ol' brain don't function like it used to...........

    • November 22, 2015 6:13 PM EST
    • Short answer; yes.  Here's how...

       

      Start Panel Pro.

       

      Go to Edit / Preferences

       

      Click on File Locations

       

      Look at User File Locations - This is the folder that holds all of the data files.  Note that it usually is the user folder for the user that installed JMRI. You could copy the entire folder to a CD or an external USB storage device.

       

      If your install never changes, then you could just copy it back to restore the data.  In my case the user name on the PC changed when I installed W7 (upgraded to W10) and the user folder structure changed between XP and 7/8/10 requiring me to edit some of the data files when I moved them from XP to W10 so JMRI could find it's data.

       

      The next thing I want to try is to put the data in a shared location accessible by my main PC and the one in the train room, then point multiple installs of JMRI to the same data. This should work so long as you only run the JMRI program from one location at a time.

       

       

       

       

       

    • November 22, 2015 5:55 PM EST
    • I haven't done it yet and I probably should so is there a way you can save all that data, (roster, trains, location's etc) on a separate device like a CD or something?

    • November 22, 2015 3:54 PM EST
    •   Well, I posted this figuring Bob and Greg would probably be the only ones who understood any of it, but it's also for me to reference in a couple years when I want to move it again.

    • November 22, 2015 3:13 PM EST
    • Ken Brunt said:

      Man, you lost me in the 2nd paragraph.............

      Unfortunately, I lost my whole hard drive on XP, so I had to enter the whole dang thing again on the new one, one typed letter at a time. Then again, the new layout is a bit different then the old one and since it was being rebuilt, I had to change some things around in JMRI anyway. Still needs more changes, but I got all winter.

      It's good to know that there are some computer guru's out there who know all this stuff.

      My eyes glazed over reading the topic title.  

    • November 22, 2015 2:05 PM EST
    • Man, you lost me in the 2nd paragraph.............

      Unfortunately, I lost my whole hard drive on XP, so I had to enter the whole dang thing again on the new one, one typed letter at a time. Then again, the new layout is a bit different then the old one and since it was being rebuilt, I had to change some things around in JMRI anyway. Still needs more changes, but I got all winter.

      It's good to know that there are some computer guru's out there who know all this stuff.

    • November 22, 2015 1:20 PM EST
    • I recently retired the XP computer where JMRI was installed and always run from.  I wanted to bring the program and data over to Windows 10 so I would not need to boot the old XP machine to run trains.  In my case this isn't really two machines, but two hard disks in one machine. Windows 10 boots by default or Windows XP can be booted by bringing up a boot menu and choosing the other hard disk. The entire XP machine is available as a drive from the Win 10 machine. This is similar to having two machines on a home network with the root (C:\) shared.

       

      Fortunately I saved the install file from when I first installed JMRI. This allowed me to install the identical version on Windows 10 eliminating any potential data compatibility issues. The install went without a hitch and JMRI seems to run fine on Windows 10. After starting JMRI and looking at the File Locations,  I canceled the Preferences window that opens with a new install and quit JMRI.

       

      Next I went to the folder above the one listed under User File Locations in Preferences and renamed the folder JMRI to something like DEFAULT.JMRI.

       

      I then copied the entire JMRI folder found on the XP drive to the Windows 10 user folder as noted above in File Locations. 

       

      Since some of the files copied contain the old User File locations and other paths,  they need to be modified. To get the exact paths I went back to DEFAULT.JMRI and opened PanelProConfig2.xml using notepad (.XML files are clear text files).  Simultaneously I opened PanelProConfig2.xml in the JMRI folder and replaced all of the File Location paths in the second file with those from the first.  There was one other file that had File Locations; DecoderProConfig3.xml which I also updated with the new file locations.

       

      Once this was done the next time I opened JMRI Operations all of my trains, cars and locations were exactly as I left them in XP

       

       

       

       

    • November 9, 2015 5:22 PM EST
    • I like the randomness of it, John. Your not shuffling the same cars in and out of the same places all the time. An industry may get a flat car one time, then it gets exchanged for a boxcar or it may get picked up and nothing placed there. Or an industry may get 2 different cars spotted there and 3 picked up. I'm solo most of the time too, and neither do I like paperwork, but this program takes all the guesswork out of it.  Like the on IPP&W, the next time you run, you have the same cars sitting at the industries that you left there the last time.  Just like the real railroads.

    • November 9, 2015 2:23 PM EST
    • As the victim said to the con man: "You're so crooked you can't see straight."

      .......

      Hi there, serious operators.  I came to this thread because I have finished building my main freight yard at Littleton. 

      So I think I'm now ready to consider using JMRI.  Of all the software choices, from reading here it appears to be the one I should concentrate on.

      I have very little experience, garnered on Fred's pike and on Barry Birkett's.  I've noticed that both of these systems require print outs and clipboards. 

      Up to now I have always used manual car forwarding systems, pretty much paperless.  In fact I've been quite happy with them - Card Orders, Thumbtacks, Blindingly Obvious Car Routing, Dice, Inglenooks, Timesavers, and etc etc. 

      To tell the truth, as a newbie, I'm not yet convinced that I want/need to go the route of computer-generated car forwarding/train operations. 

      I gotta tell you I'm no fan of paperwork, if that's what these systems generate....  I don't want to find myself trying to find my place on a switching list and closely checking car numbers while I'm really only trying to shuffle a few freight cars from one place to another.  Most of the time I hae to operate solo, not my preference, but my reality.

      I'll be very happy to get input from you fellas who know more about all this ....  Thanks for all feedback.  Cheers!

    • November 9, 2015 2:14 PM EST
    • As the victim said to the con man: "You're so crooked you can't see straight."

      .......

      Hi there, serious operators.  I came to this thread because I have finished building my main freight yard at Littleton. 

      So I think I'm now ready to consider using JMRI.  Of all the software choices, from reading here it appears to be the one I should concentrate on.

      I have very little experience, garnered on Fred's pike and on Barry Birkett's.  I've noticed that both of these systems require print outs and clipboards. 

      Up to now I have always used manual car forwarding systems, pretty much paperless.  In fact I've been quite happy with them - Card Orders, Thumbtacks, Blindingly Obvious Car Routing, Dice, Inglenooks, Timesavers, and etc etc. 

      To tell the truth, as a newbie, I'm not yet convinced that I want/need to go the route of computer-generated car forwarding/train operations. 

      I gotta tell you I'm no fan of paperwork, if that's what these systems generate....  I don't want to find myself trying to find my place on a switching list and closely checking car numbers while I'm really only trying to shuffle a few freight cars from one place to another.  Most of the time I hae to operate solo, not my preference, but my reality.

      I'll be very happy to get input from you fellas who know more about all this ....  Thanks for all feedback.  Cheers!

    • August 30, 2015 7:42 PM EDT
    • Its too late for me to go straight, I can only continue on. 

    • August 30, 2015 7:28 PM EDT
    • Ken Brunt said:

      Come on here and state your problem, I'm sure one of us can straighten ya out  Heaven knows I've done that myself a few times.............

      Ask my Mom, they have been trying to straighten me out for centuries...    It didn't work....    

    • August 30, 2015 5:59 PM EDT
    • Ken Brunt said:

      Come on here and state your problem, I'm sure one of us can straighten ya out  Heaven knows I've done that myself a few times.............

       

      Exactly.   Though I'm not sure I can straighten anybody out....

       

    • August 30, 2015 5:40 PM EDT
    • Come on here and state your problem, I'm sure one of us can straighten ya out  Heaven knows I've done that myself a few times.............

    • August 30, 2015 4:27 PM EDT
    • I think rather than expanding on some sort of manual that only the author actually understood, I would rather just have some sort of group help for anyone wanting to get started.   

      Some folks want trains to do explicit things, but a lot of us just want traffic that isn't always the same.   For me, this is the main appeal of JMRI.   I enjoy the sessions created.

    • August 30, 2015 4:07 PM EDT
    • Andy -  I agree.  Since TrainOps is probably not being used any longer by many people including the TrainOps terminology is probably of limited value. I don't know RailOps, but you, Ric, Fred and Doug are pretty familiar and might be able to read a JMRI glossary and determine equivalent terms in RailOps.

       

      The reason I'm suggesting this is that when Bob, Bruce, Ken and I moved from TrainOps to JMRI our biggest obstacle was the terminology. Once we understood what a term we used in TrainOps was called in JMRI it became much simpler to move on.

    • August 30, 2015 12:33 PM EDT
    • Jon, the last sentence is a good idea, but that would require someone who is familiar with Trainops, Railops and JMRI in order to compare..

       

      I think the starting point would be as Bruce described, and started out with...

       

      I have my railroad in Railops now, but have only used it to run operations strictly on the computer, it's not used during Ops Sessions...  

      JMRi interests me, as it is a program that is still being maintained/corrected...  Whereas, Railops seems to be without any support anymore, cept for the yahoo Groups site...   They can give advice, but noone can make any corrections/changes to the programing...

       

      I'd be very interested in the JMRI program, even if I know little of how a computer operates...

    • November 9, 2015 3:36 PM EST
    • Just don't be afraid to ask questions.  It can seem pretty complex;  not that I'm an expert, but I still think I can get you through most issues.

    • November 9, 2015 3:23 PM EST
    • Just don't be afraid to ask questions.  It can seem pretty complex;  not that I'm an expert, but I still think I can get you through most issues.

    • November 9, 2015 2:22 PM EST
    • Thanks Ken, Bob and Bruce for your help at the start of this thread.  I even made it offishul by clicking your "kiss me thank you" buttons.  Cheers!

      I will be reading the rest of this thread over the next couple of days...