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    • March 11, 2017 5:19 PM EST
    • Bruce Chandler said:
      Michael Barnes said:

      I have seen JMRI and RailOps discussed in this thread. RailOps is reportedly no longer supported. There seems to be a fair amount of discussion about JMRI and it appears a lot of people are using it, but our club ops folks claim "The UI seemed really clunky and non-intuitive. " Are there any other ops software packages out there to keep track of car cards and waybills and the other things one needs for ops?

      I am brand new at ops and have only witnessed one short demo session, so I don't really know what it is all about, yet.

      Thanks,

      Michael

      I don't agree with the assessment of the UI on JMRI.   I find it rather logical - but then again I've never been accused of being mentally stable.   

      What don't you like about it?

       

      Yea, I wouldnt call the UI clunky and non-intuitive.  Daunting at first, yea, but once you figure out that the ops stuff is all in one place, you can safely ignore the rest. 

    • March 11, 2017 4:35 PM EST
    • Steve Featherkile said:
      Greg Elmassian said:

      What about the old school card systems?

      You have cards for the industries, and shuffle them up and then put them in pockets on the cars (or some variation)...

      Just curious.

       

      Greg

      The cards blow away, get rained on, squirrels get them...

      And people put them in their pocket and forget about them. 

    • March 11, 2017 4:12 PM EST
    • What is your application?  Is this for a large layout operated by a group,  or just a one man operation like many of us do. Our 'Trainops' group has found JMRI to work pretty well in both those situations, and I don't have any UI issues either.  Fred's IPP&W runs on RailOps and they have continued using it with great success despite it's commercial demise.  Stan continues to use the card system on his huge multi operator layout, and Ric might still use the dice in a cup method at times

       

      What I am trying to say is that there is no one right answer. Look at what's out there and pick what is best for you.

    • March 11, 2017 3:59 PM EST
    • Greg Elmassian said:

      What about the old school card systems?

      You have cards for the industries, and shuffle them up and then put them in pockets on the cars (or some variation)...

      Just curious.

       

      Greg

      The cards blow away, get rained on, squirrels get them...

    • March 11, 2017 1:57 PM EST
    • Michael Barnes said:

      I have seen JMRI and RailOps discussed in this thread. RailOps is reportedly no longer supported. There seems to be a fair amount of discussion about JMRI and it appears a lot of people are using it, but our club ops folks claim "The UI seemed really clunky and non-intuitive. " Are there any other ops software packages out there to keep track of car cards and waybills and the other things one needs for ops?

      I am brand new at ops and have only witnessed one short demo session, so I don't really know what it is all about, yet.

      Thanks,

      Michael

      I don't agree with the assessment of the UI on JMRI.   I find it rather logical - but then again I've never been accused of being mentally stable.   

      What don't you like about it?

    • March 11, 2017 1:46 PM EST
    • What about the old school card systems?

      You have cards for the industries, and shuffle them up and then put them in pockets on the cars (or some variation)...

      Just curious.

       

      Greg

    • March 10, 2017 8:04 PM EST
    • Funny you should mention that. I did a search tonight for some other software and found this;

      http://nmra.org/software

      There are several operations software packages listed on this page, as well as design software and such.

    • March 10, 2017 7:21 PM EST
    • I have seen JMRI and RailOps discussed in this thread. RailOps is reportedly no longer supported. There seems to be a fair amount of discussion about JMRI and it appears a lot of people are using it, but our club ops folks claim "The UI seemed really clunky and non-intuitive. " Are there any other ops software packages out there to keep track of car cards and waybills and the other things one needs for ops?

      I am brand new at ops and have only witnessed one short demo session, so I don't really know what it is all about, yet.

      Thanks,

      Michael

    • March 9, 2017 4:32 PM EST
    • Daktah John said:

      By George, I think you've got it

       

      I make my spur length about a half car longer than I need in case cars grow in the future.  Not sure if that helps anything; it's just theory.

      Oh yea, my cars grow. But, its the number of cars I have that is somehow growing, not the length of each car.

    • March 9, 2017 2:29 PM EST
    • Thank you Bob and Joe.  I am in the process of setting up JMRI with a scale of 20.5 and will see how it works.  Most of my cars are 15" (26') the Log cars are only 11" (19').

      Jay

    • March 9, 2017 1:34 PM EST
    • Following up on Bob's post, here’s how I calculate the length of my siding for two spurs with two-car capacity each, a total of 4 cars. Keep in mind that JMRI adds scale two feet on both sides of the car body for the couplers.

      Boxcar length (body only, no couplers): 18.25 inches

      JMRI coupler length (4 feet x 12 inches per foot / 20.3 scale): 2.4 inches

      Total car length: 20.6 inches, I will round up to 21 inches

      Total cars per spur: 2

      Length of spur: 2 x 21 inches = 42 inches

      Add buffer of 6 inches (for variability in car lengths, but less than the length of one car)

      Total length of spur: 42 + 6 = 48 inches

      Total length of siding for two spurs: 48 x 2 = 96 inches or 8 feet

      I noticed that JMRI lets you set your scale at “G” but does not specify any finer detail such as 1/32, 1/29, 1/24, 1/22.5 or 1/20.3. It doesn’t need this information to operate. It is up to the operator to do some math.

      Since JMRI operates in scale feet, I am converting all my measurements to scale feet in 1/20.3 basically for consistency.

       

    • March 9, 2017 8:38 AM EST
    • Jay Root said:

      My cars are 15-16 inches long, so how do you setup JMRI spur length to handle one or two cars only?  What scale factor do you use?

      Jay

       

      You can really use any scale factor you want, just be consistent.  If you use inches, use inches for car length, train length, siding length, etc.  If you use feet, same thing, be consistent.  It really doesnt care if "250" for a siding length is in feet or inches, it can fit 10 cars of "25" length. (actually, probably 9 cars because of coupler hang, etc)

       

      I find I have to tweak siding lengths anyway.  I did a full measuring of the railroad, but then had to go in and see why cars wernt getting dropped off like I thought.  Takes a bit of twiddling.

    • March 9, 2017 8:23 AM EST
    • My cars are 15-16 inches long, so how do you setup JMRI spur length to handle one or two cars only?  What scale factor do you use?

      Jay

    • March 9, 2017 12:25 AM EST
    • I'm definitely using this! Thanks!

    • March 8, 2017 11:20 PM EST
    • By George, I think you've got it

       

      I make my spur length about a half car longer than I need in case cars grow in the future.  Not sure if that helps anything; it's just theory.

    • March 8, 2017 10:43 PM EST
    • After reading Daktah John's operations topic I noticed he had multiple industries/stops on one siding. This could really work well for me. For example, I would like to have a stockyard and a freight depot on the same siding. Each could hold two cars. It sounds like I should label them as separate spurs in JMRI. I could limit the stockyard to stock cars only so nothing else gets spotted there. I would make the spur lengths just long enough to handle the two cars each. Am I missing anything?

    • February 21, 2017 2:19 PM EST
    • Ken Brunt said:

      I don't worry about whether the car is loaded or not, only that one needs to be picked up or dropped off at a certain industry. I do have loads for gons, hoppers and flat cars, but as far as I'm concerned, I just know a certain industry needs a certain car. I look at it this way,if they need a flat car, they'll load it. If I have to pick up a flat car, they've unloaded it. 

      Same here.  Most of my flats, gondolas and hoppers are empty. Box cars all have closed doors and tanks, who can tell?.  I just don't worry about it.

    • February 21, 2017 10:43 AM EST
    • That about what I figured.  No work for the five finger crain.  Now I need to build a liftout bridge.  Too old for the duck under.

    • February 21, 2017 9:16 AM EST
    • I don't worry about whether the car is loaded or not, only that one needs to be picked up or dropped off at a certain industry. I do have loads for gons, hoppers and flat cars, but as far as I'm concerned, I just know a certain industry needs a certain car. I look at it this way,if they need a flat car, they'll load it. If I have to pick up a flat car, they've unloaded it. 

    • February 21, 2017 8:48 AM EST
    • When you do op sections, do you use cars that require visual loads?  Flat, gons, log and coal cars.  Or do you use closed cars only?

      Jay