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    • April 23, 2017 10:39 AM EDT
    • Now I did it.  I tried to restore to a previous date and now when I open JMRI, it comes up with the railroad name but does not have the settings tab?  What have I done this time.


    • April 18, 2017 11:19 AM EDT
    • I am running JMRI in a circle.  Yard to Yard.  Not sure if this is the best way to run the program with my limitted space.  I have 6 locations plus the yard and a total of 17 spurs.  I have 14 cars, all on the layout.  The build report starts with the last car returned to the yard.  There are 6 spurs that can accept the 6003 box car, the last being the one that it came from.  That car has a low move count but that should not cause it to be returned.  The grain car is simular set up.  It has only 3 spurs available but does not move.  The build report only looks at two locations?


    • April 17, 2017 5:49 PM EDT
    • You might need more cars. Or you could just run a train that skips the other locations (delete the other locations) then does that last spur. What it does is fills the demand for cars at the first locations, if it runs out of cars, the other locations won't get any. 

    • April 17, 2017 4:54 PM EDT
    • Things are working well??.  I have one problem that is the same for two locations.  The Grain Elivator @ Apex will not send the covered hopper to the Quaker Oats spur @ Rawls by way of the Yard.  The Yard just sends it back to the Grain Elivator.  The covered hopper is only allowed at these 3 locations.  The willow spring location can accept box and water cars.  The spur has received the same box car all the time from the Yard.  Back and fourth.

      Both locations are at the end of the run, just before returning to the Yard.  The build report get the other locations filled befor it gets to these last two locations.  I only have 3 box cars and 1 covered hopper.

      Any suggestions?


    • March 29, 2017 7:31 AM EDT
    • Joe

      I will try extending the length of the siding and see if that helps.



    • March 29, 2017 2:24 AM EDT
    • You might also consider setting up a switching train for your yard. It can move cars from yard tracks to spurs within the yard.

    • March 29, 2017 2:21 AM EDT
    • Hi Jay. One thing I noticed about JMRI is that it will make sure you have room on your siding before assigning a car to it. If you have a siding that can handle two cars and the siding has two cars on it, then you cannot move another car to the siding even if your manifest starts with a pickup from that siding. In other words, it adds to current cars plus reserved set outs together, even if the current cars are picked up as part of the manifest. JMRI can run in "aggressive" mode and this might cure it. I haven't tried it yet.

    • March 28, 2017 6:57 PM EDT
    • I now have JMRI working, I think.  May not be correct.  I now have a layout, usint JMRI Layout Editor.  How do I print this layout out and get it so you can see if I  am doing things right or just beating my head on the desk?  I have 14 cars on the layout and about 16 destinations, not counting the Round House, most hold only one car.  Location Varina is the is a Yard and is the begining and end of the run.  The Manafest picks up the engine, and I have to sort the order of the pickups from the Yard to get the train in dropoff order.  I have one car that moves between the Grain Mill and the Yard only.  It has not moved to the Quaker Oats siding.  The build report sees the QO but does not move the car there.

      This is a challenge for this old man.


    • March 22, 2017 10:57 PM EDT
    • I figured it out! I went into Edit Spur. It gives you the option of excluding routes or trains for set outs or pick ups.  I excluded my "Switcher" train from pick ups at the spur. Now it will only do set outs. I can clear the yard track, provided space is available on the spur, and it will not move anything from the spur to the yard track.

      Since the exclusion is defined by train, I can create another Switcher train if I want both pick ups and set outs.

      I am a nerd...


    • March 22, 2017 6:13 PM EDT
    • If JMRI moves a car it automatically changes the load status. Full loads become empties; empties become loads. No way around that that I know of.


      Personally, I don't care if a car is called a load or an empty in JMRI.  I know what they should be based on the industry.

    • March 22, 2017 5:37 PM EDT
    • MY suggestion would be to lengthen the spur track in JMRI so it will hold 4 cars. As it is, JMRI is seeing the spur as "Full" so the extra car won't go there. 

    • March 22, 2017 4:47 PM EDT
    • I hope that one of our JMRI experts might have a suggestion for me regarding this situation. I’ve tried to distill it down to the pertinent facts. If you have the patience to read through it then I would appreciate your thoughts. Here goes:

      Location is a turnaround point on the schedule.


      Location has one yard track with a capacity of nine boxcars and one spur track with a capacity of four boxcars.

      Spur track holds three empty boxcars


      Train arrives with four loaded boxcars


      Train sets out three loaded boxcars on yard track


      Train sets out one loaded boxcar on spur track


      Since this is a “turn” train, the train picks up the three empty box cars on spur track, leaving one loaded boxcar on the spur track and three loaded boxcars on the yard track


      My goal is to move the three loaded boxcars from the yard track to the spur track thereby clearing the yard track completely.


      I set up a “switch” schedule and “train” to work the yard. It successfully moved the three loaded boxcars to the spur track, but it also moved the loaded boxcar already on the spur track to the yard track and changed its load to “empty”.


      Is there a way to tell JMRI to ignore the boxcar already on the spur so I can place all four boxcars on it?

      Thanks for your help!

    • March 15, 2017 11:00 AM EDT
    • Here on the IPP&W we put all the rolling stock away in storage sheds after each operation. We use bread trays, and each tray is marked/colour coded as to where the cars were located after the last operation. This makes set-up easier, along with a printed sheet generated by RailOps which shows each car's exact location.

       We only take about a half hour to set out the 250-300 cars......there are usually somewhere near 15 or more people taking part each Saturday morning.

        It works very well for us, but others may prefer other operating programs.

       Car Cards, originally were going to be our way of operating. In their day, before computers were a way of life in our World, the car card system was the way to go, along with its variations. I operated on a number of pikes that used many of those variations. There was the "Four sided waybill in a car card" method. the "Paper clip on a card" system, and a few others that seemed to work on INDOOR railroads....usually HO scale, N scale and "O" scale were not as popular in the operations world.

       When we started investigating the LS OUTDOOR Operating possibilities; we tried Car Cards, of one type or another. It was never very successful, or enjoyed out in the real outdoor World.  Others may, after their trials, find that one of the CC systems will please them. It might be worth exploring......for those that try to inject new ideas into the scheme.

      Another thing to consider, is that with any of the computer generated programs, applied to "Club Layouts", is that a lot of club members would insist on taking their rolling stock home, after every operation. As long as their cars are on site, and available, for every operation; things go well, but to have any of them missing can cause problems. Taking cars in, or out in short notice makes the RailOp controller's job a headache. Another is; that all cars must have standard couplers. Mixing coupler types does not work easily, if at all in an operation.

      On the IPP&W there are a lot of cars that belong to others, who choose to keep their cars on site. Their cars are often labeled on the underside with their names, but are also entered into the RailOps INVENTORY LIST, under their ownership......Cabooses are usually the only cars that some take home. Those cabooses are not in the car inventory list. We do have enough cabooses in thge list/on site to run the operations, so it isn't a problem.

        Anyone visiting during operations, is persuaded to not introduce "Non-Standard equipment" on to the line. That equipment can introduce bottlenecks in Yards and sidings.   We do enjoy visiting equipment, after the operation.

        Locomotives for our purposes, are not documented in the RailOp program. They are mostly taken home by the operators. Most of our operators have at least one, NG, and one SG style of locomotive, appropriate for this particular railroad; equipped with Battery/Radio Control, and Kadee Couplers.

        My contributions to this thread/topic, are only meant to try to be informative, sharing our experiences. Everyone is free to decide what will work best for them, under their conditions, for their pleasure. I am NOT in any way, trying to "Push" RailOps on to anyone's plate. Or accusing anyone of "Being Wrong" in whatever choice(s) the may make.  Last I heard, we in North America, are still living in a  bit of the World that still allows us all a few freedoms of thought and speech..

        Any questions about our operational experiences are welcome.

        Fred Mills

    • March 14, 2017 12:41 PM EDT
    • Here in Ottawa there are quite a few railroads using "RailOps" with great success, although there are only two in Large Scale.

       The program may not be "Supported" any longer, but that doesn't stop it from being a dependable program. There is a "RailOp List" where questions are answered, and often is quite busy.

      On the IPP&W we use two RailOps programs. One for the NG, and one for the SG.  These two operations use the same track/layout, but the equipment changes.

      Each program involves over 250 pieces of rolling stock.

         Doug Matheson, is know by many in North America as a well informed RailOps "Expert". He is helped by Lawrence Watkins, looking after the NG; and Steve Watson, the SG operations, here on the IPP&W.

         We have been using RailOps for over 15 years, or more. We alternate week to week from NG to SG......every Saturday, weather permitting.

        The railroad, I am told, belongs to me, but I don't claim to be any sort of expert on the subject of RailOps.  I make a point to know enough to be able to suggest/ make any changes in weekly operations, and help out when needed.

      The operators seem to have no trouble using the "Orders" for their trains, which list all needed movements of the equipment, about the same as those shown in other post in this thread.

      Two of the other pikes using RailOps, are; one in Sn3, and the other in HO.....I take part in two operations a month on the Sn3 layout.

      Anyone contemplating the use of RailOps, is welcome to send questions through me to Doug Matheson, or visit here during our operations.

       Fred Mills

    • March 14, 2017 8:53 AM EDT
    • Bruce Chandler said:

      If there's something you don't understand, please ask - it can be intimidating to start.   Heck just starting operations can be intimidating.   

      Definitely ask.  We've all been up this learning curve.

    • March 14, 2017 8:13 AM EDT
    • If there's something you don't understand, please ask - it can be intimidating to start.   Heck just starting operations can be intimidating.   

    • March 14, 2017 2:50 AM EDT
    • I don't even call it JMRI anymore. I changed the name on the icon on my desktop  to TrainOps. 

    • March 13, 2017 7:11 PM EDT
    • Bruce Chandler said:
      Michael Barnes said:

      I have seen JMRI and RailOps discussed in this thread. RailOps is reportedly no longer supported. There seems to be a fair amount of discussion about JMRI and it appears a lot of people are using it, but our club ops folks claim "The UI seemed really clunky and non-intuitive. " Are there any other ops software packages out there to keep track of car cards and waybills and the other things one needs for ops?

      I am brand new at ops and have only witnessed one short demo session, so I don't really know what it is all about, yet.



      I don't agree with the assessment of the UI on JMRI.   I find it rather logical - but then again I've never been accused of being mentally stable.   

      What don't you like about it?


      I personally have not yet set up JMRI. From the screenshots and videos it looked okay to me. When I get a chance, I'll download it and see. As I have no experience with ops, I don't know what is good or bad.




    • March 13, 2017 7:08 PM EDT
    • Greg Elmassian said:

      What about the old school card systems?

      You have cards for the industries, and shuffle them up and then put them in pockets on the cars (or some variation)...

      Just curious.




      I think that is basically what my club wants to use. They are just looking for software that will generate the cards from a spreadsheet.



    • March 12, 2017 11:46 AM EDT
    • I think Bob hit the nail on the head.  JMRI has so much depth for DCC that is outside the Operations section that it looks more complex than it really is. From Panel Pro ignore everything except the Operations menu.