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    • March 4, 2017 11:55 PM EST
    • Pete Thornton said:

      But What I really meant was T.

      Is T-scale still available?  I recall the original Japanese manufacturer made a model ride-on 'park' train using their diesel and some modified flatcars, but it was for O-scale.  Can't find any trace of it now. 

       

      https://www.tgauge.com/

       

      Have no idea the availability of it. I never got any farther than just day dreaming about it.

    • March 4, 2017 8:17 AM EST
    • Ron, DCC locomotives will run on DC.

    • March 3, 2017 6:49 PM EST
    • I have several N scale passenger cars from when I was an N scaler. But I am now wondering about locomotives. Can you still buy regular locomotives now adays? Seems like everything is DC.

    • March 3, 2017 12:01 PM EST
    • But What I really meant was T.

      Is T-scale still available?  I recall the original Japanese manufacturer made a model ride-on 'park' train using their diesel and some modified flatcars, but it was for O-scale.  Can't find any trace of it now. 

       

    • March 2, 2017 7:21 PM EST
    • Devon Sinsley said:
      Pete Lassen said:

      oh now this is opening a very large genie out of a bottle, which may never be shoved back inside. I remember one RR I toured here a few years ago had I think it was a Z scale "g scale garden RR" on a raised platform behind one of the houses. MUST     NOT     LOOK     INTO     THE    LIGHT, stay on the main track, avoid the rabbit hole.

      Check out TT. Would make a very nice garden railroad. Z is big. TT comes out almost perfect for g scale in g scale.

       

       

       

       

      Yes TTs and trains go together. 

    • March 2, 2017 7:15 PM EST
    • Greg Elmassian said:

      Did you mean what you said? Z is bigger than TT? I think you meant to say "T" scale, not "TT" which is closer to HO.

      TT is 1:120

      Z is 1:220

      T is 1:450

       

      Greg

      Devon Sinsley said:
      Pete Lassen said:

      oh now this is opening a very large genie out of a bottle, which may never be shoved back inside. I remember one RR I toured here a few years ago had I think it was a Z scale "g scale garden RR" on a raised platform behind one of the houses. MUST     NOT     LOOK     INTO     THE    LIGHT, stay on the main track, avoid the rabbit hole.

      Check out TT. Would make a very nice garden railroad. Z is big. TT comes out almost perfect for g scale in g scale.

       

      Greg, I meant TT at least at the time. But What I really meant was T. Thanks for the clarification

    • March 2, 2017 5:07 PM EST
    • Cliff Jennings said:

      Such a fun problem you guys have been discussing. Greg, didn't you have a Z layout on a G flatcar?

       

      Anyway, I've tried to hold back from posting this, but now in a moment of weakness I am doing so.

       

       

      Choke!

    • March 2, 2017 5:04 PM EST
    • True, N would better represent the ride on 7 1/4 inch gauge stuff, but many park trains are around 1 foot gauge or so. So HO would better represent them. Its all in being clear what you are trying to represent.

    • March 2, 2017 4:53 PM EST
    • Such a fun problem you guys have been discussing. Greg, didn't you have a Z layout on a G flatcar?

       

      Anyway, I've tried to hold back from posting this, but now in a moment of weakness I am doing so.

       

       

    • March 2, 2017 3:44 PM EST
    • Did you mean what you said? Z is bigger than TT? I think you meant to say "T" scale, not "TT" which is closer to HO.

      TT is 1:120

      Z is 1:220

      T is 1:450

       

      Greg

      Devon Sinsley said:
      Pete Lassen said:

      oh now this is opening a very large genie out of a bottle, which may never be shoved back inside. I remember one RR I toured here a few years ago had I think it was a Z scale "g scale garden RR" on a raised platform behind one of the houses. MUST     NOT     LOOK     INTO     THE    LIGHT, stay on the main track, avoid the rabbit hole.

      Check out TT. Would make a very nice garden railroad. Z is big. TT comes out almost perfect for g scale in g scale.

       

    • March 2, 2017 2:44 PM EST
    • The general consensus up here is TT   for G within a G gauge layout

      N for a ride-on  within a G gauge layout.

       

      Every yr. at our show over the two days,  the subject is  'revisited'  at some point   in conversation btwn attendees and exhibitors   :)

       

       

      doug c

    • March 2, 2017 1:48 PM EST
    • HO seems a little large to my eye as well. If your wanting a true live steamers look I believe N scale will work the best.

       

    • March 2, 2017 11:26 AM EST
    • Thing to keep in mind, if one isn't already, is that 'park train' is a term with a defined meaning. Also used is 'miniature railway'.

      "Park trains are small gauge trains running in amusement parks, city parks and other public areas. Park trains usually have gauges larger than 7-1/2" but smaller than 3 feet. 12", 15", 18" and 30" gauges are common. "

      http://www.railroaddata.com/rrlinks/Park_Trains/

      This is an interesting conversation;

      "My question is this: If this 2' gauge railroad had "real" locomotives, for example, Baldwins or Alcos, and ran doubleheaders hauling beets or sugar cane during harvest season, people would come from everywhere to take photos.

      But for some reason, because the engines were built to haul people in an amusement park, they're not "real" and nobody cares. Can anyone explain that to me?

      I also run standard gauge steam, and it's funny, aside from the size, there's not much difference. They all work about the same, and produce power in roughly the same way, even those oddball geared engines, though they do it in a round-about manner.

      Why is it that park trains are the Rodney Dangerfield of steam? Yes, I understand the disdain for CP Huntingtons and the like, and it's hard to look macho at the controls of a G-16. But why do the steamers get lumped into that group as well?"

      http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32198

      This from last page of thread,

      "JR May wrote:

      > BTW a number of our engineers have gone on to work for "the real" railroads over the years.

      In some ways, you might say that park railroading (I suspect that is a new term) is perhaps something like AAA baseball. A lot of young guys, and gals, got their start running at places like Pine Creek or Cedar Point and moved on up tonnage wise to some full sized railroading.
      J.R.


      I would think not only park railroading, but some heritage railroads would produce excellent railroaders. Think of how challenging some heritage roads can be, particularly Cumbres & Toltec with its 4% grades, and Cass Scenic which averages 5% and hits 8% and even 11%.

      I would think if you could railroad on either of those roads, you could railroad anywhere."

    • March 2, 2017 9:28 AM EST
    • Forrest's pictures make the argument that HO would be more ideal for an amusement park train. They are going to be more ride "in" than ride "on". N would definitely be better for the smaller ride "on" train like the one I mentioned above. So choose your poison.

    • March 2, 2017 9:24 AM EST
    • Pete Lassen said:

      oh now this is opening a very large genie out of a bottle, which may never be shoved back inside. I remember one RR I toured here a few years ago had I think it was a Z scale "g scale garden RR" on a raised platform behind one of the houses. MUST     NOT     LOOK     INTO     THE    LIGHT, stay on the main track, avoid the rabbit hole.

      Check out TT. Would make a very nice garden railroad. Z is big. TT comes out almost perfect for g scale in g scale.

    • March 1, 2017 11:35 PM EST
    • Nope, HO is just right for a 15 to 18 inch gauge ride-on/in park train.

      [url=https://flic.kr/p/SotZDx][img]https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3717/33072263261_7fce373a1f.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/SotZDx]IMG_5171[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/dwm440/]Forrest Wood[/url], on Flickr

      [url=https://flic.kr/p/SotZwZ][img]https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2875/33072262881_f3488f40fd.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/SotZwZ]IMG_5172[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/dwm440/]Forrest Wood[/url], on Flickr

      [url=https://flic.kr/p/RZZNzL][img]https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3792/32817799990_8eb65aab3a.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/RZZNzL]IMG_5175[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/dwm440/]Forrest Wood[/url], on Flickr

      [url=https://flic.kr/p/SotZri][img]https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2875/33072262551_2fa8c57aa7.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/SotZri]IMG_5173[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/dwm440/]Forrest Wood[/url], on Flickr

       

      Here's a park train creation of mine, which someday, maybe, will get finished? Still need to do cars for it.

      Is on mechanism of HO scale 4-wheel Plymouth DDT by Model Power. Guy is 1/24 scale by Fujimi, I think, is from a kit of car drivers and mechanics.

      [URL=http://s196.photobucket.com/user/FSW4picts/media/Gn15/Zephyrish_Passengerloco_RF.jpg.html][IMG]http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa309/FSW4picts/Gn15/Zephyrish_Passengerloco_RF.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

    • March 1, 2017 10:50 PM EST
    • Isn't HO a little large? Seems like N would be more to the correct size.

       

    • March 1, 2017 5:55 PM EST
    • Pete Lassen said:

      oh now this is opening a very large genie out of a bottle, which may never be shoved back inside. I remember one RR I toured here a few years ago had I think it was a Z scale "g scale garden RR" on a raised platform behind one of the houses. MUST     NOT     LOOK     INTO     THE    LIGHT, stay on the main track, avoid the rabbit hole.

      The Mason-Dixon model railroaders have a modular layout, and one module has the z-scale garden railroad you mention.  I had a photo once.

    • March 1, 2017 5:30 PM EST
    • oh now this is opening a very large genie out of a bottle, which may never be shoved back inside. I remember one RR I toured here a few years ago had I think it was a Z scale "g scale garden RR" on a raised platform behind one of the houses. MUST     NOT     LOOK     INTO     THE    LIGHT, stay on the main track, avoid the rabbit hole.

    • February 28, 2017 12:15 AM EST
    • Ric brings up a good point. Another consideration is what are you modeling in large scale. What would look right in 1:32 or 1:29 might look very small in 1:20.3.