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    • September 3, 2020 5:44 PM EDT
    • I'm certain it was 2005. There was only one October in the 2000's when both 14 and 15 were in steam. 15 had just gone back into service from her rebuild and 14 was making it's last trips as it's waiver was expiring. I checked the date on the EXIF data for the recording: October 9, 2005.


      If you or Tony want to do the work to extract the sound, I have no problem with him using it.


      @Tony. If you need something in writing, email me what you want me to say, or digitally sign - jon AT cvsry DOT com should work.

    • September 3, 2020 9:27 AM EDT
    • I didn't know that one was out there. Probably the sound track from this Vimeo video...

      Wow. #15 and #14 all dolled out in tourist brass. 2005? Must have been earlier.  I like #14s whistle - it sounds like a regular US 3-chime as used all over the Pennsy and other lines. And why would it not be the same - they all came from Baldwin! Tony can sell it as a "U.S. 3-chime" and we'll know it's actually our favorite EBT loco.


      Jon - as you'll see from Tony's message, we need to pick a 16 second whistle from your recordings, and give Tony the right to sell it? OK by you?




    • September 2, 2020 10:23 PM EDT
    • Hello Jon and Pete.

      The module that Pete has is tiny.  About the size of a thumbnail. No adjustments just a whistle.  A recording of the L & B "LYN".

      Just plug it in to the 5v R/C system and add a 8 ohm speaker.

      They are made by Mike Ridley in the UK and are part of a range of Tug Boat horns etc

      Mike can load any 16 second (max) sound clip for the cost of the pcb and cable.  The logic is triggered by a pwm (servo) signal on any spare channel.


      I do acknowledge that technically echo should not be there.  However, IMHO, it is the echo that gives the sound "character".

      Again, IMHO, I believe the echo is what steam whistle fans like because that is what they actually hear from a loco.  The problem usually is that when a good whistle sound is available, it is often accompanied by other extraneous sounds such as chuff, rail clik etc  which is usually not easily removed.

      I understand that a suitable USA mainline whistle would be in demand.  Mike will kindly do whatever I ask of him with regards to the products from his range that I sell.

      His range consists of directional constant brightness lighting, ditch lights and an array of R/C switches for turning stuff on and off.

      If Jon would give us permission to use the clips in the videos I am sure we could come to some sort of equitable agreement as their application.


      There is also a way of using existing stand alone sound systems such as MyLocoSound, Phoenix and Dallee with Live Steam locos, no matter what voltage they would normally operate on.  However, doing it that way, could be a bit more complicated depending on voltage requirements.

    • September 2, 2020 4:29 PM EDT
    • I have some great EBT 14 & 15 whistle recordings with plenty of PA hills echo

      "JRad captures the EBT on Lo-Fi" perhaps?  That's actually a good one, and the chime whistle would work for many different locos - like my PRR K4.  I'll send the file to Tony and see if he likes it.

      Let's see if we can put it here somewhere.


      Naw, that makes you do the download.  Here's a video version with some old photos of mine. Shortened to just the whistles - the 2 locos are distinctly different.



      Tony indicated that we can ask for a specific sound file to be loaded for our favorite loco. 

    • September 2, 2020 1:54 PM EDT
    • I like the idea of the whistle module, and a US 3 chime would be great. Echo doesn't bother me, but technically it shouldn't be there.  I have some great EBT 14 & 15 whistle recordings with plenty of PA hills echo


      My sparkies need the opposite function of your drag/inertia car. I need the inertia going uphill and the drag going down

    • September 2, 2020 1:40 PM EDT
    • I added a "whistle" module to my Accucraft live steam Countess. It's a little electronic device from RCS that plugs in to a spare channel on the receiver. You just add a speaker. I used a $4 Radio Shack 1" speaker with the bottom of a pill bottle as an enclosure.

      The first part of the video shows the drag/inertia car in use. Results are inconclusive.



      I am conversing with Tony at RCS about a US version with a big 3-chime whistle sound. My PRR K4 needs it! One aspect is the "echo" (which you can hear as the whistle tails off in the video.) Should a model have a whistle which sounds like it is travelling in the hills?

    • September 3, 2020 3:47 PM EDT
    • Hello:


      We're back working at Stavers for now. We met with a group of designers yesterday who will design the gardens and various features Larry wants to add to the property. They seem really excited to tackle the job. Now Larry is under pressure to get the outdoor track plan finalized so they can design around it. Much more than just the railroad must be considered so it can be used as an event space and be legal, however, they can't really design it if they don't know where the railroad will be...last year I designed about 15 or so track plans based on criteria Larry put forth, but as I've said before, things change a lot at Stavers, and many people have been getting Larry's ear, so I have only a rough idea what will happen...many want there own idea of a railroad built by Larry for them, so we will see how it plays out...ultimately, its Larry's decision. Right now, we are not building any new track, instead, we are cleaning the shops and reorganizing things, such as moving the laser into the machine shop, that means moving the cnc mill and making room for the Laser, plumbing, and exhaust venting out of the building.


      Two of Larry sons are going to be helping construct the outdoor landscaping and had some great input during the meeting. Anyway, that is just a quick update for those who care that at least some forward progression is occurring on projects at Staver Locomotive, and I may not have to get a regular job as seemed might be necessary.

      Working today and tomorrow, but should have time to post more pictures this weekend.




      AKA Gearhead


      Edit for errant comma and a finger slip spelling

    • September 1, 2020 3:25 AM EDT
    • Hi all:


      Just a quick note, I've been scouring my hard drives for all the pictures I took two years ago and moving them to folders so I can edit them for posts.  Since I got home from Ca., I have had many irons in the fire trying to get caught up with life...good news is my sister has been able to return home to her smokey smelling home...but it is still there, and so is the Roaring Camp Railroad.


      Tomorrow, we meet with Larry at Staver Locomotive to discuss some projects on the railroad, so we may be building again soon...we hope.


      Anyway, I will post pictures and descriptions and try to complete this thread soon, so at least there is a conclusion for people who find it in the future, and it acts as a complete story.





      AKA Gearhead

    • August 26, 2020 1:14 AM EDT
    • So I had to help family the last couple days, and wasn't able to post. First thing is to make a correction, I realize that I said we use Fir strips for the ties...Jenn informs me that I was wrong, and we use Ceder for the ties. Larry buys tongue and groove Cedar for walls and we rip those into strips for the tie making machine.


      We're leaving back to Portland tomorrow since my sister has evacuated to my dads. I have put together some pictures of the final building of the middle yard loop, but won't have time to post for a couple days.


      I mentioned in an earlier thread that we changed the way we make frogs during this project. The old method was manual and used jigs and keyway cutters, and only allowed for a few frogs, #5,7,10, and 14. As seen in the March 14, 2018 post in the fourth picture, I described cutting our old frogs down in length, and this got me thinking about a new method. We had already been thinking about making them using cnc, and I had laser cut some custom mill vise parallels to facilitate the process. However, by the nature of trying to fit all these curved turnouts in the allocated space, we were going to need many different angles of frogs, and each size would need its own parallels and fixtures.


      The new cut down design made Larry and I realize, that we could profile the frogs instead, reduce the number of operations to produce them, and allow for any angle to be produced. So Larry created a model in Solidworks of the frog using drawing relations, to allow the model to regenerate a frog simply by changing one dimension of the frog...the angle. In the mean time, I set about teaching myself the CAM system that comes with Solidworks nowadays, so we could generate cnc g-code. The beauty of this, is that if we design a turnout to fit a tight location, or an intricate turnout such as the tandems, we can create any frog needed, even if the angle was non standard such as 8.175 degrees or whatever, and the toolpaths and g-code would be automatically created and ready for production.


      The first thing we did was 3D print a couple to prove out the is a picture of one I found on my phone.

      3D frog


      Next was to try it on the mill. We made the first couple out of aluminum to test our toolpath strategy and such. We can now make the frogs in only four operations instead of nine, and of course, the cnc is much faster than manual.


      I found one picture on my phone of the first operation in aluminum...



      The second operation is to turn them upside down and mill the extra material off. Even though the angle of the frog creates a substantial difference in lengths between say #3 and #14 frogs, the dimensions at each end of the frog are consistent enough that I was able to mill a shape into a set of steel vise jaws that allow me to clamp two frogs at a time, spanning from one vise jaw to the other, and remove the excess material and set the thickness of the frog.


      I don't have any other pictures of these operations on this computer so I can't provide much more detail until later, however, the third operation involves milling away the area where the rails get welded on the small end of the frog. This is two simple and fast operations that don't take long at all.


      Once we made some out of steel, and fine tuned speeds and feeds, I went ahead and created programs for #3 through #14 frogs and ran production runs of each size so now we have lots of frogs. If we need a special size, I can make them easily as needed.


      One fly in the ointment, however, is that Larry got annoyed when Solidworks changed policy this year, and won't let him have a copy on his laptop as well as the shop computer, so he cancelled it. So next time we need frogs, I have to redo everything in Fusion 360...oh well, just another learning curve. Fortunately, I have already learned to create models in Fusion, I just need to learn the CAM system.


      That's it until I'm settled back in at home in a couple days.


      Happy steaming




      Edited to correct some punctuation and missed capitalization of some names.

    • August 23, 2020 5:27 AM EDT
    • Thank you Igor, That stepped set of switches caught my attention

    • August 23, 2020 3:48 AM EDT
    • Hi Igor:


      Thanks for the best wishes, I'll put them in my wallet and use them as needed. These are tough times for literally millions of people if not more, and we're just trying to navigate our small part in the madness. We had slightly good news on the weather helping the fire crews, however a few homes burned last night and we have no way of finding out whether my little sisters house was one of them or not. The news showed fire trucks driving in fire on a road walking distance from her home.


      That said, I don't want to turn this thread into a pitty party. After rereading it a couple times to get my head around everything I was doing then, I realized I had promised to provide details about a number of projects and I want to apologize for not following through...after the steamup was over, Larry had us take some time off, it was a very expensive winter at Staver Locomotive, and we were also worn out from all the long hours. However, I continued to document our progress, and I feel this thread should have a decent conclusion.


      I found some pictures on my phone that would provide the ability to notch this thread forward a little before I have access to all my files back home. So I dug out an old WinXP computer from my dads back bedroom, that still has a copy of Photoshop from the old days, and spent the afternoon preparing them for posting. So tomorrow I will post an actual update to this thread.


      I too, would like to see pictures of your process and see how you have accomplished your version of our track building methodology.






      Quick edit...initially, I didn't see the close up pictures in your post. One of the pics I will post is of a 3D printed version of our frogs before we CNC machined them on the mill. I am really happy to have inspired someone to suffer as much as we do producing track this way

    • August 23, 2020 3:29 AM EDT
    • I must still clean it a bit, I used to much putty......But i am still in the "experimental" phase.

      I used different kind of woods, big mistake! those ones will be placed outside of the view, and will use azobe from now on, no wood stain.

      The 3 way switches where intend for inside use, but i dont like that wood, probably i will rebuild them.

      The frogs are made of foam pvc, the next once are going to be made from hard solid pvc sheet.(hammer proof stuff)

       Ps i dont wanted to hijack this treat.

    • August 23, 2020 2:53 AM EDT
    • @ gearhead,

      Sorry to hear about all that bad news, i wish you all the best.

      I lost my old man 3 years ago, still not over it plus a lot of "life events" will survive.

      Be very careful and take good care of them AND your own health.

      You sure was a big inspiration, many thanks.

      Basically i adopted the idea and run a production process in my capability's.

      I make use of several jigs 

      The making of ties I think i figured out a quicker way and i am going to use different wood: Azobe.

      Fir is nice and will last very long(i read one post somewhere: 19!years!)

      Stay save


      @ David, 


    • August 22, 2020 4:58 AM EDT
    • Nice switch building in the second pic Igor. It would be nice to see some close ups of that track work.

    • August 21, 2020 10:28 PM EDT
    • Hi Igor:

      I'm glad I could inspire you to build some track using some of our looks great. I've been meaning to post pictures of the completed freight yard and some other things we've built.


      Unfortunately, my father became ill with cancer two years ago and we've been spending a week each month helping my sisters take care of him, he is now entered hospice in his home and cannot be alone anymore, and hospice care only includes three visits a week. More unfortunately, I had to make an emergency drive to the  Sacramento delta to care for him, as now both of my sisters are under evacuation orders. My older sister for the SCU fire in the eastern foothills of San Jose, and my younger from her home in Felton, Ca. near Santa Cruz.  She lives high up in second growth Redwoods two doors down from our family home in the 1970's. The fire line is now one mile west of her home, and we are all scared. I am also frightened for the Roaring Camp Logging Railroad only a mile to the East (one of the reasons for my obsession with steam was listening to the Shay's climbing the grade each weekend as well as riding them many times).


      The Swanton Pacific Railroad has already burned and there are horrible photos of the locomotives covered in ash and buried in burned debri.


      Sad picture


      Sorry for the bad news post...sooner or later I will post more photos to complete the thread. I don't have them here at my dads though, so it will have to wait a little longer.

      We haven't worked at Stavers since December, however, Larry called the other day and a few projects are possibly in the works and some modest movement on the outdoor railroads property prep has begun.


      Welcome to the board, and keep up the great work Igor.




    • August 19, 2020 12:07 PM EDT
    • It is a old post i am aware of that, but how i am going to show pictures of what i achieved thanks to this post?

      Cous thanks to this thread i am building my own now, a bit on there way and more production wise on my way!.......It is looking really good!

      To bad it is in the wrong section and they did not show more.....

      I would like to post some pictures of what i have done.


      Thanks for reading Igor