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    • October 21, 2018 6:35 PM EDT
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      Pete,

       

       I just happened to be about 20 minutes from Strasburg today so I swung by and got these pics of your girl. I have a few more and if you want them PM me with your email and I will send them to you. 

      I tried to capture the "Brunswick Green" look .....with these 2 pics. Notice the cab on 6755 and the cab on 3750 ....They are both the same color but 3750 shows the green tinge. I can actually see the green tinge on your model but that is my eye.

       As I read some where while researching historic colors years ago someone mentioned that " Black is not a color but green is within the correct light preferably eastern morning light".  Possibly Downing or Rookwood but not sure as I focused heavily on the two.

       

       

    • October 21, 2018 8:42 AM EDT
    • Not to add confusion to the discussion I believe one factor in PRRs paint color has been overlooked. As will be noted from the attached, paint was mixed on site from bulk quantities of pigment powders, linseed oil, and japan. Of the ingredients the pigment though specified by PRR standards, could be different from lot to lot and manufacturer to manufacturer.

       This is the closest info I could find. Though years back I ran across a page from PRRs standards book, while searching out their engine shops,on mixing their engine colors. I recall reading that the shop foreman was responsible with verifying the pigment tone by mixing a set amount to see what color was achieved. Pigment that did not meet his approval was returned.

      Though the info presented here specifies freight car mix, the same applied to their engine color. Pigment was added by the lb not run through a computer. Variations would occur so, though close, each batch was possibly different in finished tone. We see and hear an assortment of formulas to achieve Brunswick Green when in reality it's still just a green hued black that we associate with the Pennsy.

      http://steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/prr-carcolor.pdf

    • October 20, 2018 9:00 PM EDT
    • The present number board was added in 2008 when it went through a cosmetic restoration ... Prior to that she stood in for another loco as a display.

       

      From Wikipedia;

      " The Pennsylvania decided to scrap 1737 and use 3750 as a stand-in; 3750 received the original number plates and tender from 1737."

       

      No word on where the originals went.

       

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Railroad_3750

    • October 20, 2018 12:37 PM EDT
    • Pete,

      Regarding the numeral, since there are no stencil styled 0s, I'd stick with a 5.

      The sand casting tray was bumped and the top of the number fell in, a finger 'fixed' that one at the end of the day....

      It does stay within the outline of the other numbers...

       

      Sand and oil.

      'I've got a hot date, the bell is about to ring and .... There! Good enough. As long as Pete doesn't see it, I'll get to go dancing!'

    • October 20, 2018 12:11 PM EDT
    • From Wikipedia: 'The color used by the Pennsylvania Railroad for locomotives was often called Brunswick green, but officially was termed dark green locomotive enamel (DGLE). This was a shade of green so dark as to be almost black, but which turned greener with age and weathering as the copper compounds further oxidized.'

       

      Since the paint oxidized lighter, the color may depend on the age of the locomotive, thus different greens can be correct.

      Have fun with your trains...

       

      PS:

      Why this color?

      They could mix it by full buckets, thus color match was achieved system wide, where having to make measurements could lead to discrepancies.

    • October 20, 2018 10:00 AM EDT
    • I am working on a painted sign order at work. Customer spec was Benjamin Moore Dark Forrest Green.  I had the paint mixed up and created a color sample for the vinyl shop to find a close match. If you don't hold it next to something black to compare it to, you would swear it is black. But as Roo says, in the right light it is a green.

       

      @Pete - Seems that PRR may have had some variation in the number plate fonts. I have a large photo of 6755's smoke box hanging above my desk taken at the PA RR Museum. The font on 6755's brass plate is a bit different from the photos you posted. The 5, however, definitely has a square top left corner and a flat top.

    • October 19, 2018 8:35 PM EDT
    • Lou Luczu said:

      Pete, you have to remember that to make "Brunswick Green" they mixed one gallon of green to one million gallons of black paint.

      Exactly however in the proper light it will show green .....love the turn of the century eye trickery !

    • October 19, 2018 6:03 PM EDT
    • Hmmm. . .  I think I bought a model of #3760.  The PRR 5 seems to have a clear square top:

       

      And the 6 doesn't:

       

       

      I still haven't found a photo with the "6" looking like stenciled open number.

    • October 19, 2018 12:13 PM EDT
    • The term "Brunswick Green" may well have sprung from Brunswick, New Jersey, the site of the Du Pont paint plant.

      http://sbiii.com/prr2.html#colors

       

    • October 19, 2018 12:05 PM EDT
    • I wonder if it is actually #3760 ?  (I blew up the pic of the green one and it has the same writing style.)

       

    • October 19, 2018 12:01 PM EDT
    • Lou Luczu said:

      Pete, you have to remember that to make "Brunswick Green" they mixed one gallon of green to one million gallons of black paint.

       

      Well, yes, but the Accucraft version is "dark" green and looks like this: (which is also #3750 !!)

       

    • October 19, 2018 11:38 AM EDT
    • Pete, you have to remember that to make "Brunswick Green" they mixed one gallon of green to one million gallons of black paint.

    • October 19, 2018 11:32 AM EDT
    • Well, I finally bit the bullet and bought the darn thing.  GRS UK have been advertising it for the past few months, and my uncle passed and left me a small number of GBP.  As he was the one who helped my parents get me trains when I was 5 yrs old, it seems like a fitting use for his legacy!

       

       

      The specs say that #3750 would be supplied in dark ("Brunswick"?) green.  This one is clearly black.

      https://www.americanmainline.com/modelc/G701-01-C.htm#page=page-1

       Anyone shed any light on the color?  Or the original retail price?  It has an axle pump, which I think was an "option" for extra $$.

       

      It's a pre-war version, with the slatted pilot, so I am going to have to research what color and stripes the coaches should have.  And whether to get some old Aristos or the new USAT Heavyweights.  Questions, always questions. . .

    • October 3, 2018 8:45 PM EDT
    • Randy Lehrian Jr. said:

      Yes, Very nice looking work.  I wish he didn't have all the tubing jammed in the back so we could see the back head detail.   Looks like the throttle is hiding behind it, and I wonder if that brake staff works too.  I also wonder about that rear light, does it lift up and swing around to the other side of the railing for reverse running?

       

      Did you get to see the Tionesta Valley Caboose #11 While you were there?    Thanks Jon!

       

      I agree. He probably would have moved it if I was patient enough to ask.  I think the rear light is swung around for travel.

       

      TV Ry 111 was hiding inside the engine house all weekend, but I was there early before they closed the doors and grabbed a few shots. Still on shop trucks....

    • October 2, 2018 6:16 PM EDT
    • Yes, Very nice looking work.  I wish he didn't have all the tubing jammed in the back so we could see the back head detail.   Looks like the throttle is hiding behind it, and I wonder if that brake staff works too.  I also wonder about that rear light, does it lift up and swing around to the other side of the railing for reverse running?

       

      Did you get to see the Tionesta Valley Caboose #11 While you were there?    Thanks Jon!

    • October 2, 2018 2:36 PM EDT
    • OUTSTANDING craftsmanship!

    • September 30, 2018 10:42 AM EDT
    • Yesterday I attended the annual Connecticut Antique Machinery Association's Fall Festival; which I have done nearly every September for about 25 years. There is always something new and interesting. This year the display of hand made steam locomotives by Rich Hubbard was a highlight. Rich built all of this from scratch. Even the leaf springs are functional individual pieces, Just awesome!!!

       

      Not certain, as Rich was busy talking so I didn't interrupt to ask, but this looked like 7/8ths scale or larger on Gauge 1 track...

       

       

      And this one, still under construction looks to be on a larger gauge, maybe 2.5"...

       

      Rich's calling card...

    • September 25, 2018 6:30 PM EDT
    • I wish they would do a 0-6-0 version of Sammie, that would look really good

    • September 25, 2018 1:06 PM EDT
    • Hmmmm I'm not sure I'm sold on this one. I really wish they would produce something more US based like the Sammie.  I'd probably just get another Sammie and modify that.  

    • September 4, 2018 5:12 AM EDT
    • Oh I have that size to, but not giving up on G completely. I did downsize some though.  Had lots of pieces that i did not run any more.      Mike the Aspie