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    • September 28, 2019 10:14 PM EDT
    • Greg Elmassian said:

      I agree, there is a simple set of rules posted by Bob, and they are not being followed. Simple as that, his site his rules. I suffered ALL FIVE in my heavyweight post. They are posted as a sticky for all to see: (I apologize for finally losing my cool and responding in kind when I believed nothing was going to ever improve)

       

      It seems it's time for a much simpler, and much more strictly enforced site policy.  Violations will get a warning with an explanation, second violation will earn a 30 day suspension, third will earn a lifetime ban.

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      Be Nice.

      You've been invited into my living room to talk trains.  Whether you've come to ask questions, or to generously share what you know or what you've done, remember that we’re all here to learn, and have fun, together. Be welcoming and patient, especially with those who may not know everything you do. Oh, and bring your sense of humor. Just in case.  



      That basically covers it. But these guidelines may help:

      1. Rudeness and belittling language are not okay. Your tone should match the way you'd talk in person with someone you respect and whom you want to respect you. If you don't have time to say something politely, just leave it for someone who does.

      2. Be welcoming, be patient, and assume good intentions. Don't expect new users to know all the rules - they don't. And be patient while they learn. If you're here for help, make it as easy as possible for others to help you. Everyone here is volunteering, and no one responds well to demands for help.

      3. Avoid off-topic, and filler posts.  Stay on topic within the thread, and contribute to it.  Don't post just to increase your post count..

      4. Don't be a jerk. These are just a few examples. If you see them, report them:

        • Name-calling. Focus on the post, not the person. That includes terms that feel personal even when they're applied to posts (like "lazy", "ignorant", or "whiny").

        • Bigotry of any kind. Language likely to offend or alienate individuals or groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. will not be tolerated. At all. (Those are just a few examples; when in doubt, just don't.)

        • Inappropriate language or attention. Avoid vulgar terms and anything sexually suggestive.

        • Harassment and bullying. If you see a hostile interaction, report it. If it keeps up, disengage - we'll handle it. If something needs our attention, you can use the contact us link at the bottom of every page.

      5. Use the Report feature. The forums have a method to report offensive, annoying, or any other inappropriate content.  This is the easiest way to let me know something is up.  Don't respond to anything you don't like, EVEN IF IT IS DIRECTED AT YOU.  If you do, you become part of the problem.  Report it instead.  If I get a number of reports about the same content, I will take action, most likely suspending the offending account.

      In summary, have fun, and be good to each other.

        

      Greg,

      You raise many good points. Speaking as someone who has benefited from a friendship with you for many years, I would like to offer a couple suggestions.

      First, for anything you'd like to change on this site, and I know you have much background on the technology, I think you should privately speak with Bob, not publicly. This is Bob's site, something he personally created, is personally paying for, and supports as a hobby. It's not some public or even commercial thing where anyone can make demands. If you've not privately discussed your concerns with Bob, you should. Otherwise, perhaps you shouldn't raise them publicly here, because there's no lobby factor; Bob runs this, we benefit, that's it. 

      Second, you might consider confining your personal aggravations to personal means of communications, e.g., PM's or emails. Such matters, however important they may seem to either party, will never be solved on a public forum, but only escalated and exacerbated. Sometimes, when that personal conversation happens, a much bigger understanding and benefit ensues. I hope that happens with you and David-Rooster, because both of you have made enormous contributions to the hobby, and have so much insight to offer.

      Cliff

       

    • September 28, 2019 9:41 PM EDT
    • I am fairly new here ( I think 2014) and learned tons on this site and mainly because of here I have a garden railroad up and running. I hope that BD  will find enough good to keep it going . if not, then I am glad to have talked to a lot of the regulars here and hope to one day meet you all. Thanks Bob, yours is a thankless job. So I want to send a big thank you for allowing me to join.

    • September 28, 2019 9:21 PM EDT
    • Deleted Member said:
      Craig Townsend said:

      I work with teenagers all day long. They seem to at least know when to shut up. Your not helping the cause David Russell aka Rooster, aka whatever you think is funny at the moment. 

       

       

      Glad that Bob at least gave us 13 more days to try and get contact info for the people we want. The people I talk to already don't need LSC to keep,in communication. 

       

      Then why post on LSC if you have what you need ?

      AAAAAAAAAAARGH!  Enough!

    • September 28, 2019 8:55 PM EDT
    • Craig Townsend said:

      I work with teenagers all day long. They seem to at least know when to shut up. Your not helping the cause David Russell aka Rooster, aka whatever you think is funny at the moment. 

       

       

      Glad that Bob at least gave us 13 more days to try and get contact info for the people we want. The people I talk to already don't need LSC to keep,in communication. 

       

      Then why post on LSC if you have what you need ?

    • September 28, 2019 8:39 PM EDT
    • Deleted Member said:

      I personally would be upset if LSC closed their door after all these years because of ?

      I work with teenagers all day long. They seem to at least know when to shut up. Your not helping the cause David Russell aka Rooster, aka whatever you think is funny at the moment. 

       

       

      Glad that Bob at least gave us 13 more days to try and get contact info for the people we want. The people I talk to already don't need LSC to keep,in communication. 

    • September 28, 2019 8:10 PM EDT
    • I personally would be upset if LSC closed their door after all these years because of ?

    • September 28, 2019 6:42 PM EDT
    • I've been posting less and less over the years because I'm sick of the immature posts by a few individuals. I don't know them personally, but I find it very interesting that the number of "attacking" type treads happen in the evening East Coast time, and often time on Fridays and Saturdays. 

      People can do whatever they want, but I don't find it fun interacting with a few drunks that keep coming back to the bar... I'd rather stay home than go out if I know the loud drunks are hanging out.

       

      Will I be sad if Bob closes the door? Maybe. But there are other forums (non large scale) that seem to be more encouraging to modeling. And not ironically, most of those posts are actually informative and helpful. 

       

      If anyone wants my contact info, feel free to message me.

    • September 28, 2019 6:41 PM EDT
    • That being said, if you can't get along here, firmly grip a 2X4, take a hefty backswing, and knock yourself in the head. Rinse. Repeat.

      Yea, except, the people who are most at fault, blame other people for the "situation". So the offender(s) will not take any action to reign themselves in, or in any way follow your instructions. But they would be unhappy if someone else acted toward then the way they are acting toward others. And that is the yardstick we all should be using, myself included.

       

       

    • September 28, 2019 5:16 PM EDT
    • Without using "back in the day we were civil and polite", I would like to say that this is a place I enjoy visiting, and would miss it very much if it were gone. I have been instructed, encouraged, and questioned about techniques. I do try to check it every day to observe all of the creativity. If I can't get out to do anything on my railroad, I certainly enjoy watching everyone else. 

      Keep up the good work. I am among those who enjoy seeing a project well done. It gives a warm feeling to the creator and the observer.

      That being said, if you can't get along here, firmly grip a 2X4, take a hefty backswing, and knock yourself in the head. Rinse. Repeat.

    • September 28, 2019 4:47 PM EDT
    • Until that recent stupidity on the Aristo hvywt thread, I thought we were all getting along nicely.

    • September 28, 2019 4:25 PM EDT
    • I have been a member of this forum since July 2000, one of the first members to join LSC. Also joined the other LS forums but saw them die for the same problems.

      I have always liked this forum and try to check the posts everyday. 

      Would be sad and understand if Bob decided to let it go.

      Dennis

       

    • September 28, 2019 4:19 PM EDT
    • Bob Cope said:

      @Ted - My post was intended to mean every aspect of this site. This is Bob's living room, no one should disrespect it in any manner.

       

      @Maynard - No doubt. My feelings are 'just ban them' and be done with it. I don't care how much they might have donated to the forum, or how long they have been a member.

      Then, I take it, the same disciplines, including excommunication / expulsion is to be rendered to someone committing offensive indiscretions on chat?

      -Ted

    • September 28, 2019 3:58 PM EDT
    • Wow, to think that chat could turn into a friendly place without foul language?  That would indeed be a welcome change.

       

      Greg

    • September 28, 2019 3:25 PM EDT
    • Bob Cope: A very well articulated post that covered all the bases. Thanks.

    • September 28, 2019 3:22 PM EDT
    • @Ted - My post was intended to mean every aspect of this site. This is Bob's living room, no one should disrespect it in any manner.

       

      @Maynard - No doubt. My feelings are 'just ban them' and be done with it. I don't care how much they might have donated to the forum, or how long they have been a member.

    • September 28, 2019 2:44 PM EDT
    • Ted Doskaris said:

      Should the same rules apply for "chat"?

      -Ted

      YES....

    • September 28, 2019 10:09 PM EDT
    • Pete Lassen said:

      Pete he is referring to the one causing the problems as the one that is destroying the forum

       

         True....and sorry for the ambiguity.

       

       

    • September 28, 2019 9:58 PM EDT
    • Pete he is referring to the one causing the problems as the one that is destroying the forum

    • September 28, 2019 4:51 PM EDT
    • I'm not sure "destroy" is the right word. Abandon seems closer to Bob's intent. I don't think he wants to have to pull the plug.

    • September 28, 2019 9:37 PM EDT
    • Bob McCown said:

      Effective immediately, I'm implementing something I should have done a long time ago.  Starting today, I will not allow nickname-only profile names.  You must use your real name.  You can append a nickname to your last name (Such as "Bob McCown (Head Honcho)") but that's it.  We all should know who you are, and where you are located.  One week from today I will be disabling accounts I find that are nickname only.  At that time, I will also disable the ability to change your profile name once created.

       

      Well, that went well, from "Rooster" to "Deleted Member"....

       

      This was 2 years ago, and we are reaping the benefits. You did know what to do, but what happened?

       

      Sorry Bob, this will piss you off, but you have actually allowed this too... it was indeed the right idea in the first place.