I've used decrapifier with reasonable success.  It's not perfect (works best on a brand new PC) but not too bad if you don't spend your life in the bowels of Windows; something to consider.

Boy this sure appears to be a tangent from the initial post/announcement by Bob.

When you "hobby" on computers, it's funny how many "friends" you accumulate... "can you just take a look at my computer"... first everyone in your family, then their friends, etc.

But it's a fun challenge, unwinding all the junk that Microsoft "gives" you to make your life "better"

moral: you can either complain about "progress" or find a way through it.

(ha ha, back to the topic)

Greg

Greg Elmassian said:

....I've probably built 75-100 Win10 machines myself... and the ones I upgraded were all faster afterwards given at least 2gb ram and a defragged hard drive.

 

Greg

 ....

   Wow...I can see your next obvious career move:

   Is that an empty desk behind the girl in the blue hat?

Buy it now before it's gone !

https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/rooster-shooter-45-colt-4-3-4-by-uberti.html

Greg Elmassian said:  (how come there is no emoticon for a wink, the most common one in the world?)

Greg,

Have you re-read it twice before posting ? How many times do we have to discuss this? Do we "really" need to start another thread on that topic that has been covered before? JUST GO TO MY WEBSITE then e-mail me so I can let you in then you will see the numerous vignettes that "others" have done on this topic. Rooster @ hooked the F-up on technology.com

Check out the vignette "my milk shake brings the boys to the yard" with the sub section titled "damn right it's better than yours".

OR you could just go to the bottom right on the reply choices and hit the emotion you choose?

Greg Elmassian said:...

  ;-)   (how come there is no emoticon for a wink, the most common one in the world?)

maybe you kicked it out to make the forum run faster? 

If you have adequate ram and disk, Windows 10 runs faster than 7.

If your computer runs slower now, then they either botched the upgrade, or they just don't know how to clean off the extra stuff you don't want, mostly programs that autostart.

I've probably built 75-100 Win10 machines myself... and the ones I upgraded were all faster afterwards given at least 2gb ram and a defragged hard drive.

Greg

p.s. no one will make anything anymore that is just basic if they are making money from it, the bean counters always want to "add on value".... meaning additional features you did not want, changes that don't help you, etc. Ever try to buy a car off the lot with no options?   ;-)   (how come there is no emoticon for a wink, the most common one in the world?)

Steve Featherkile said:

Within the last week I retired my XP and launched a Win 10.  It is surprisingly different, and yet much the same.  Still, I yearn for MSDOS.  That, I understood, and could make stand up and sing.

I kept my XP to run windoze  unique programs and switched to Linux.

No more Bloatware loaded for applications I have never even heard of let alone ever would contemplate using, looks like windows but is faster because there is no unnecessary stuff loaded and its Free!!!

At work our retrograde step department aka the IT nerds just "upgraded" me from Win 7 to Win 10 and now my computer works so much slower that I can actually see what is going on with it, time delays about the same as my old commodore 64 when opening documents etc for someone my age it really is restful.

Rant mode On;

MS, Apple, Google and all the other software people really should look at asking their users what they want out of the software instead letting some software engineer nerd try to second guess what they want i.e. make a basic OS with addons as required by the user (a custom fit) first one that does that will clean up but what do you expect from a bunch of Uni students who never really got out of the garage business model.

Stop trying to be all things to all people.

Rant Mode Off;

ipconfig, ping, and all the "net" commands are very useful to the power user...

Greg

The only thing I ever type in a Windows 10 command window anymore is 'bash'

What's missing? Normally you can still run old DOS programs if you want. (and I still do)

(results of /help at DOS prompt in Windows 10 below)

ASSOC          Displays or modifies file extension associations.
ATTRIB         Displays or changes file attributes.
BREAK          Sets or clears extended CTRL+C checking.
BCDEDIT        Sets properties in boot database to control boot loading.
CACLS          Displays or modifies access control lists (ACLs) of files.
CALL           Calls one batch program from another.
CD             Displays the name of or changes the current directory.
CHCP           Displays or sets the active code page number.
CHDIR          Displays the name of or changes the current directory.
CHKDSK         Checks a disk and displays a status report.
CHKNTFS        Displays or modifies the checking of disk at boot time.
CLS            Clears the screen.
CMD            Starts a new instance of the Windows command interpreter.
COLOR          Sets the default console foreground and background colors.
COMP           Compares the contents of two files or sets of files.
COMPACT        Displays or alters the compression of files on NTFS partitions.
CONVERT        Converts FAT volumes to NTFS.  You cannot convert the current drive.
COPY           Copies one or more files to another location.
DATE           Displays or sets the date.
DEL            Deletes one or more files.
DIR            Displays a list of files and subdirectories in a directory.
DISKPART       Displays or configures Disk Partition properties.
DOSKEY         Edits command lines, recalls Windows commands, and creates macros.
DRIVERQUERY    Displays current device driver status and properties.
ECHO           Displays messages, or turns command echoing on or off.
ENDLOCAL       Ends localization of environment changes in a batch file.
ERASE          Deletes one or more files.
EXIT           Quits the CMD.EXE program (command interpreter).
FC             Compares two files or sets of files, and displays the differences between them.
FIND           Searches for a text string in a file or files.
FINDSTR        Searches for strings in files.
FOR            Runs a specified command for each file in a set of files.
FORMAT         Formats a disk for use with Windows.
FSUTIL         Displays or configures the file system properties.
FTYPE          Displays or modifies file types used in file extension associations.
GOTO           Directs the Windows command interpreter to a labeled line in a batch program.
GPRESULT       Displays Group Policy information for machine or user.
GRAFTABL       Enables Windows to display an extended character set in graphics mode.
HELP           Provides Help information for Windows commands.
ICACLS         Display, modify, backup, or restore ACLs for files and directories.
IF             Performs conditional processing in batch programs.
LABEL          Creates, changes, or deletes the volume label of a disk.
MD             Creates a directory.
MKDIR          Creates a directory.
MKLINK         Creates Symbolic Links and Hard Links
MODE           Configures a system device.
MORE           Displays output one screen at a time.
MOVE           Moves one or more files from one directory to another directory.
OPENFILES      Displays files opened by remote users for a file share.
PATH           Displays or sets a search path for executable files.
PAUSE          Suspends processing of a batch file and displays a message.
POPD           Restores the previous value of the current directory saved by PUSHD.
PRINT          Prints a text file.
PROMPT         Changes the Windows command prompt.
PUSHD          Saves the current directory then changes it.
RD             Removes a directory.
RECOVER        Recovers readable information from a bad or defective disk.
REM            Records comments (remarks) in batch files or CONFIG.SYS.
REN            Renames a file or files.
RENAME         Renames a file or files.
REPLACE        Replaces files.
RMDIR          Removes a directory.
ROBOCOPY       Advanced utility to copy files and directory trees
SET            Displays, sets, or removes Windows environment variables.
SETLOCAL       Begins localization of environment changes in a batch file.
SC             Displays or configures services (background processes).
SCHTASKS       Schedules commands and programs to run on a computer.
SHIFT          Shifts the position of replaceable parameters in batch files.
SHUTDOWN       Allows proper local or remote shutdown of machine.
SORT           Sorts input.
START          Starts a separate window to run a specified program or command.
SUBST          Associates a path with a drive letter.
SYSTEMINFO     Displays machine specific properties and configuration.
TASKLIST       Displays all currently running tasks including services.
TASKKILL       Kill or stop a running process or application.
TIME           Displays or sets the system time.
TITLE          Sets the window title for a CMD.EXE session.
TREE           Graphically displays the directory structure of a drive or path.
TYPE           Displays the contents of a text file.
VER            Displays the Windows version.
VERIFY         Tells Windows whether to verify that your files are written correctly to a disk.
VOL            Displays a disk volume label and serial number.
XCOPY          Copies files and directory trees.
WMIC           Displays WMI information inside interactive command shell.

Steve, yea DOS is been stripped of most of its functionality, but what's left does lurk in Winders. I go to the command prompt (DOS) from time to time to work out why I cant get a printer to print.

Within the last week I retired my XP and launched a Win 10.  It is surprisingly different, and yet much the same.  Still, I yearn for MSDOS.  That, I understood, and could make stand up and sing.

I work with technology all day long, and I hate it, because it doesn't work as advertised. If it did work as advertised, I would have to get a real job.

the relevant point seems to be, that there are no really important advances anymore.

so the industry, to go on selling, needs to make cosmetic advances and artificial incompatibilities.

that means, Bob needs to change the forum software (and pay for it) to keep the forum compatible with the net.

and for me it will mean to buy at least one new pc and to say farewell to XP.

for many of you it will be similar. you have to cough up money.

and afterwards we can do more or less (after the bugs are killed) the same with the forum and the rest of the net as we could do before.

Hail to the technological advance!

Greg Elmassian said:

The third rule is shut up about calling me a Luddite or I will throw my flip phone at you, or my Windows 95 computer.

Everyone has their own set of rules...

The third rule is shut up about calling me a Luddite or I will throw my flip phone at you, or my Windows 95 computer.

The first rule of Luddism is: we do not talk about Luddism.

The second rule of Luddism is: we do not talk about Luddism.