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    • March 29, 2017 8:26 AM EDT
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      Hey everyone,
      I gathered this info together for a project, and thought I would post it for reference, in case anyone ever needs it..
      the first set of numbers I measured myself, the rest I got direct from Kadee.

      The boxes are the same for both the "G-scale" couplers, and the slightly smaller "#1 scale" couplers..the boxes are the same either way.

      I was looking for the outer dimensions of the main body of the box, *not* counting that little "lip" some of them have on the front, 
      and not counting the decorative rivets..those can just be filed flat, and aren't an integral part of the main box height. here is the list from the Kadee site:

      https://kadee.com/~kadeecom/htmbord/1gcouplers.htm

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      Standard Gear Box (830 type)

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      L: 30mm - 1.18"
      W: width of main box, 19mm. Overall width including the side screw hole protrusions: 22mm - 0.86"
      H: 8mm - 0.31" (not counting the top "lip" extension)


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      Truck Mount Gear Box (831 type)

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      Short Gear Box (835 type)

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      831 ane 835 are the same for the main square box:

      L: 0.565"
      W: 0.800"
      H: 0.380"

      From kadee:

      Quote:
      The tail on the #831 box is .660” long x .474” wide x .252” thick, it’s centered and flush with the top of the box.


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      Extra Short Gear Box (821 type)

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      (not counting the "lip" at the front-top of the gearbox)

      L: 0.460
      W: 0.605"
      H: 0.300


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      Pilot Pocket (791 type)

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      For this one, im interested in the dimensions at the *front* of the gearbox! 
      could it perhaps be slid into the back of a car coupler pocket opening?
      thats not the "standard" use for the coupler, but it could perhaps be adapted to other uses.

      from Kadee:

      Quote:
      The rear box for the #791 is the same as the #831. The pilot pocket has a mounting plate 1.400” wide x .483” high x .103” thick, the pocket extends .685” from the mounting plate and tapers from the plate .857” to .767” at the end and is .365” high at the end.

       

    • March 28, 2017 8:41 PM EDT
    • David Maynard said:
      Michael Kirrene said:

       

      As my Dad use to tell me: "You can't tell someone something they don't want to hear".

       

       

      So true. That's why in face to face conversations, quite often when folks tell me that what I said is wrong, I just stop talking.

       

       

       

         

    • March 28, 2017 8:03 PM EDT
    • Michael Kirrene said:

       

      As my Dad use to tell me: "You can't tell someone something they don't want to hear".

       

       

      So true. That's why in face to face conversations, quite often when folks tell me that what I said is wrong, I just stop talking.

    • March 27, 2017 11:16 PM EDT
    • Some people who post on message boards have thin skin. They're sensitive. Some even lie in wait for someone to challenge them, then either go on the offensive and pounce or go on the defensive and cry fowl, and eventually take their ball and go home. I've seen this time and time again on message boards.

       

      In this case, Scot was very persistent in obtaining measurements for various Kadee coupler draft gear boxes that he figured he would get to fit on his USA Trains Genesee R-16018 reefer. Guys from this board like Fred Mills and Don Watson are experts on this subject - they've done quite a few modifications on USA Trains/Charles Ro cars with Kadee couplers. To accommodate Kadee couplers (both #1 and "G") on USA and LGB freight cars, you have to cut some material off the ends of the cars, fabricate and glue styrene mounting pads (with thin shims if necessary) to the floor and screw down the gear boxes to the pads so that the coupler height will match the height of the Kadee coupler height gauge. You also have to verify that the truck frame/axle/wheels of the car adequately clear the gear box. There's no way to get around this process if you want the body-mount Kadee couplers to be functionally and cosmetically correct on these particular series of cars.

       

      As my Dad use to tell me: "You can't tell someone something they don't want to hear".

       

       

    • March 27, 2017 9:49 PM EDT
    • I suspect it helps some to have their own failures.

      I do know there is a custom train in the works and he may have been researching more than seeking a 'how to'.

       

      I once got into a brouhaha when a respected fellow told me 'It can't be done', regarding a product I had bought and installed. Had he said 'It's difficult to use' I wouldn't have had a cause.

      I regret the haha-brouing, but the way I was told was demeaning and my back went up.

      Ya never know.

      John

    • March 27, 2017 8:21 PM EDT
    • David Maynard said:

      ... What did I miss?

       

      ...

      nothing.

      there exist persons with different personalities.

    • March 27, 2017 7:28 PM EDT
    • I am confused. He asked for dimensions, and since I don't have all those boxes, I could only help with one. Others are probably in the same position. Also he asked about using the USA casting/coupler box face that comes on the cars with KaDee couplers. And he was directed to a very helpful thread that basically said that it really cannot be done effectively. And then he went off the rails. What did I miss?

       

      It is a shame that he has that impression of the folks here. Along with some good natured ribbing, I have always found the members here to be helpful when I have questions, and I though that was what we were trying to do, until he went off the rails.

    • March 27, 2017 7:25 PM EDT
    • Bob McCown said:

       

      Well, that's too bad.  Every member we alienate further divides the hobby.  But lets not dissolve into an US vs THEM thread.  Lets examine ourselves and figure out our part in why he felt the way he did.

      Well stated !

       

       

       

      Rooster makes an appointment for BD counseling

    • March 27, 2017 3:34 PM EDT
    •  

      Well, that's too bad.  Every member we alienate further divides the hobby.  But lets not dissolve into an US vs THEM thread.  Lets examine ourselves and figure out our part in why he felt the way he did.

    • March 27, 2017 3:18 PM EDT
    • According to a post over in "Scott Lawrence's den of distress" he has "Left the building", dragging his tail and muttering more bad things about LSC, and generally all its members, and me.......not mentioning any names, mind you.!!

      He made it quite clear that he was "Distressed" with the treatment he received here, and will never return.

    • March 27, 2017 9:56 AM EDT
    • Hi Eric,

        I have been following your coach build, very nice work so far, and noticed you haven't posted an update in a while. Sure would like to see how you are making the roof for this car. Can you please post an update? Hope everything is ok wiyh you.

       

        Thanks Chuck

    • March 27, 2017 12:08 AM EDT
    • David Maynard said:

      Steve, a dozen people descending on his place isn't enough to get dispensation?


      Not when a normal ops night has up to 16 trains running at once... I think the record was 20 when TOC hosted an open house during the national convention.

    • March 26, 2017 10:50 PM EDT
    • Steve, a dozen people descending on his place isn't enough to get dispensation?

    • March 26, 2017 4:09 PM EDT
    • Devon Sinsley said:

      Your presenting at the RPM meet. Hmm wasn't going to go but maybe now I might have too. Good excuse to come over and run at Dave's if he will have me back

      Dave won't be running that weekend, unless we get special dispensation. 

    • March 26, 2017 12:40 AM EDT
    • Craig Townsend said:
      My presentation is the same one that I did at Wallace. So you won't be missing much as you where there... Or at least I thought you where?

      It was a good presentation. I wouldn't mind hearing it again

    • March 25, 2017 11:16 PM EDT
    • My presentation is the same one that I did at Wallace. So you won't be missing much as you where there... Or at least I thought you where?

    • March 25, 2017 11:06 PM EDT
    • Your presenting at the RPM meet. Hmm wasn't going to go but maybe now I might have too. Good excuse to come over and run at Dave's if he will have me back

    • March 25, 2017 10:34 PM EDT
    • Well in my case it was 100% my fault. I downloaded the stl file and checked the measurements, and yep they were off. Somehow in the read along process I messed up. Oops. Leason learned for next time. Thankfully it wasn't all of the parts, but ironically it was mostly the parts that I really needed to be 3D printed! I'm updating the files right now and adding a few more things as I'm realizing that some of the parts I wanted to cast aren't cast worthy. I'm a little ticked off now because I want to get the side drag wings finished by the end of April for this years RPM meet (I'm presenting my NP presentation), and Shapeways has a 2 to 3 week turn around time!

    • March 25, 2017 10:15 PM EDT
    • Craig,

       

      I had the exact same experience though mine was much less expensive. . .free actually. I made a part in sketchup and exported it to a .stl file. When I sent it to my friend to print he said it came out tiny on his printer software. I double checked it on sketchup and it was correct on my end. So something in the process between a sketchup file and what the printers program reads in the .stl file gets skewed. I had to give him the actual measurements so he could scale it correctly on his end.

       

      Not sure what to say other than Sketchup was not designed for 3D printing, it was adapted. So something in that adaption is flawed.

    • March 23, 2017 10:46 PM EDT
    • I picked up some basswood at Ace this evening to see if I might be able make a nice smooth jig for forming the roof. I found a post over on MlS where Kevin S. used grooved stock to help make a even curve for a cab roof. I may try that as well.