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    • April 25, 2017 7:22 PM EDT



      They are 1:29  scale as you probably know.  I have never used them because of the scale but I see then every year in KD's both at the Medford train show and really wish they made them in 1:20.

      They are solidly constructed, roll well and look very good.  I don't think you could go wrong using them.


    • April 25, 2017 3:37 PM EDT
    • I have one set of Kadee 4437 Arch Bar Trucks that I put on an Aristocraft Napa Valley tank car.  They roll very nicely are very quiet (I'm indoors).  They look really good and are light years better than the ones that came with the car though obviously more expensive.  I doubt that you'll be disappointed.

    • April 25, 2017 2:31 PM EDT
    • Has anyone tried a set of KD 972 trucks?

      What do you think of them?


    • April 13, 2017 12:53 PM EDT
    • Thannks Rich.  Better get a pre-order in with Ray now. You can pay down and payments, that's how I did the BB on pre-order. They all sold out that way, so there will not be any extra GS-4's I imagine. All the MTH stuff seems to sell out anymore, no leftover cheap buys!

    • April 13, 2017 10:51 AM EDT
    • Beautiful model Jerry.  Makes me want to buy that new Southern Pacific even more!  Soon hopefully.  My lust has shifted from the USA Hudson to the GS-4.  

    • April 13, 2017 10:26 AM EDT
    • Bob,like Greg said, MTH is smaller, being 1/32, so that helps I imagine. Never had any problems with mine, but I do have larger curves. From what I've seen/heard about the USA Big Boy it is a great engine(big also!) but you have to have great track work for it and be willing to work with it. Plus it is really heavy, one of the many things I like about the MTH is the lighter weight and smaller size.


      *  Randy, I still have the other BB that I repaired the frames and it is still going. I had feared not getting replacement parts, so ordered 4014(sorta got caught up in the 4014 craze!). Ray did get me a rear frame that came in, but waiting on the front before I tear it apart to replace them. The replacement frame is a lot beefier so should hold up well. My new BB arrived with no damage, in it's 61 lb box!

    • April 13, 2017 2:31 AM EDT
    • MTH is like LGB, designed for tight curves, and also it's smaller than the 1:29 usat model.



    • April 12, 2017 10:03 PM EDT
    • Jerry,


      One of my fellow club members had a USAT Big Boy, and had a devil of a time keeping the tender tracking on 20 foot diameter curves. Wondering if the MTH is any better.


      Bob C.

    • April 12, 2017 8:42 PM EDT
    • She looks great outside in the sunshine Jerry! Have fun!!

    • April 12, 2017 6:28 PM EDT
    • Nice machine Jerry,  Looking forward to seeing the turbine tender.   Didn't you have another that you had fixed the frame on?   Has the fix failed again? 

    • April 12, 2017 2:26 PM EDT
    • Jerry, are you running DCS or DCC or DC?

      (wondering about playable whistle, etc)



    • April 12, 2017 1:51 PM EDT
    • Thanks. No on the drawbar. It has a plug on each end to hook the wiring to the tender. It is too long, not sure if they will offer a shorter one or not, hope so.  I'd rather have the thicker/separate wire and be able to hook it closer.

    • April 12, 2017 10:38 AM EDT
    • Great looking loco.  Can the drawbar be shortened and still run ok on your layout?

    • April 12, 2017 10:07 AM EDT

      Great looking loco, Jerry.


    • April 12, 2017 9:58 AM EDT
    • Got my Big Boy from Ray the other day. Really packed well in a HEAVY box with wood and tie down straps. Had a good run with it, Ray had tweaked the sound and smoke a little and it was pretty neat. Guess they sold real well, rumor has it they may do another run. I guess some are still coming in, they did a 4012 also. Mine has the oil tender. Planning a turbine tender to add to it.  I'll try a freight shed thing, haven't had much luck with it.


    • March 29, 2017 9:19 PM EDT
    • AH ha, I found it!


      Wood beam freight cars were banned in interchange service in 1928.


      The ICC banned billboard type advertisements on cars 1937


      Arch-bar trucks were banned in interchange service in 1939.


      By 1900 all cars had to have "modern" safety appliances, air brakes, knuckle couplers, and proper type and numbers of grab irons.


      But of course this was for interchanged cars. Cars that stayed on their home road didn't have to comply. So many of the Ely Thomas (and other) log cars of the 1940's and 50's had arch-bar trucks. I guess they were cheep on the used marked because they couldn't be used. Several railroads had wood framed cabees in service into the 1950's, 60's and some even later. Link and pin couplers continued to be used on mine and logging trains long after 1900, and many of those types of cars also didn't have air-brakes.



    • March 28, 2017 7:12 PM EDT
    • Archbar trucks were banned in interchange service, but they weren't outlawed. In fact, in the late 1990's, I photographed a mill flatcar that was still riding on archbar trucks.


      Wooden framed cars were eventually banned, because like Fred said, they couldn't handle the stresses of heavier trains. Wooden passenger cars were eventually banned in service because they could, and did, telescope in collision type accidents. Most regulations were actually enforced, or supposed to be enforced, by the Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC), and as such, small railroads, that did not cross state lines, and private railroads, like logging railroads, did not fall under their jurisdiction.


      Since wood framed cars were banned, some wood-side cars were built after the ban, with steel under-frames and steel ends.


      By 1968, cast iron wheels were banned from interchange use because a certain make of them would crack. Also, cars built after 1968 IIRC had to be on roller bearing trucks.


      As for the earlier bans, I cannot seam to find the information.

    • March 28, 2017 6:32 PM EDT
    • Dec. 1939 Arch bar trucks were outlawed, there was a couple months grace period to do the deed.

    • March 28, 2017 4:19 PM EDT
    • The reason for the banning of wood under frames, and archbar trucks, was because the heavier steel cars, were not compatible with the

      older, lighter cars.  The longer trains, with heavier equipment put too many stresses on the light cars. The archbar trucks started to fail  more and more in service due to their frail design, carrying heavier loads.

        Often older equipment could be seen in work service on company lines, but not interchange service, for many, many years after banning, even sometimes today, but they are soon scrapped when they need any major repairs. Few Railroad today have the work force, shops, or equipment to do any repairs on wooden  equipment, which is very prone to rotting.....dry rot, or other forms of decay.

        Fred Mills

    • March 28, 2017 4:02 PM EDT
    • Thank you, everyone for contributing, to every ones knowledge of what we seem to, commonly call "The woodsided reefer". We are now starting to learn more about when, why, and how they were used in the rail transportation industry.

         The first start, was when the so called "Bill Board Cars" were banned, and why. Now we can creep into when the cars with wood under frames, and truss rods were banned in interchange service, then, when Arch bar trucks were banned.

         These further subjects do  help people who might care, find what equipment might be found in a train, behind what type/model of locomotive, at a certain time in history.

        To prevent anyone from getting the idea that anyone taking part in this thread, is trying to tell anyone what they can or cannot run in their trains......that is not in any way the idea of this discussion.     RUN WHAT YOU WANT, as long as you are having fun.

       Now.....if someone cares to look up the dates;  when were wooden under frames/truss rod equipped cars banned in interchange service ?

         ....then, when were arch bar trucks banned ?

          This information can help, for those that care, to choose what locomotives might be found in a train, and what modern equipment might be mixed in with the old wood sided cars. This includes cars other than reefers too.

        It is very seldom if ever, today, that you will find a wood sided car in interchange service.  Cars with truss rods, usually indicate wood under frames, won't be found in today's modern freight trains.  Arch bar trucks are banned too.

       Fred Mills